princedpw said:
68 points
40 5-on-5 points
1 4-on-4 point
2 3-on-3 points
21 powerplay points
0 shorthanded points
2 points AGAINST empty net
2 points WITH empty net
2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion
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68 points
40 5-on-5 points
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21 powerplay points
0 shorthanded points
2 points AGAINST empty net
2 points WITH empty net
louisstamos said:Two of my favourite metrics when assessing defensemen is relative on-ice sv% and relative corsi. While Schenn doesn't play hard minutes (averages 17 minutes a game of ice time, which would put him around 6th on the team), his stats are pretty good. He has an 5v5 on-ice sv% of .939, and Vancouver as a team is .935, so he has positive impacts on his goalie's save percentage.
This chart is a little outdated as I did it a couple weeks ago (before the Lyubushkin trade), but here's all the rumoured available D-men in oi-Sv%-rel vs rel-Corsi.
That said - when Dubas pulled the trigger on Lyubushkin, I think Schenn no longer became an option. They need someone for the top 4. I'm curious to see what Anaheim does, as they're currently only 3 points out of a playoff spot, and have both Manson and Lindholm who are UFAs.
I was under the impression that defenseman had very little influence if any at all on 5v5 on-ice sv%. They may be able to suppress shots but not change the rate they go in.
bustaheims
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princedpw said:louisstamos said:Two of my favourite metrics when assessing defensemen is relative on-ice sv% and relative corsi. While Schenn doesn't play hard minutes (averages 17 minutes a game of ice time, which would put him around 6th on the team), his stats are pretty good. He has an 5v5 on-ice sv% of .939, and Vancouver as a team is .935, so he has positive impacts on his goalie's save percentage.
This chart is a little outdated as I did it a couple weeks ago (before the Lyubushkin trade), but here's all the rumoured available D-men in oi-Sv%-rel vs rel-Corsi.
That said - when Dubas pulled the trigger on Lyubushkin, I think Schenn no longer became an option. They need someone for the top 4. I'm curious to see what Anaheim does, as they're currently only 3 points out of a playoff spot, and have both Manson and Lindholm who are UFAs.
I was under the impression that defenseman had very little influence if any at all on 5v5 on-ice sv%. They may be able to suppress shots but not change the rate they go in.
They can impact the quality of shots taken, which can impact the rate they go in to an extent.
Guilt Trip
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Ok we can play...No to Knies being part of itdisco said:
It would seem that the easy assumption is that TO's goalies are crap, change the goalie(s) and the problem goes away. I've never seen so much traffic in front of the goalies nor have I seen so many deflections, personally I think the goalies might give up an easy 1 goal per game but beyond that they literally need x-ray vision to have any idea where the puck is at any time. Earlier in the year TO owned the puck and still does , mostly, but teams know that traffic against TO isn't something the Leaf team can handle so those teams are making their opportunities pay. I don't think this is a physicality issue, altho added physicality might help, it is a personnel issue.
It's not totally a d-man issue, the forwards as a whole have wavering commitment to d, but TO's marquee d-man has been and still is not the type of d-man that can be relied on to be productive/responsible when the puck is in his zone. Rielly is a excellent offensive d-man but his d is horrible, don't believe me go back and watch the goals being scored against TO while he's on, zero physicality, no gap control, possibly the best puck watcher on TO even better than the forwards, out of position, rarely/never wins puck battles, the list is quite impressive. I would think that in order for Rielly to be worth his new contract starting next year he absolutely needs to be able to defend, he needs to be able to show and tell Lily, Sandin and Dermott how to play their position because he can. He's the worst offender of TO's d-men who doesn't do the right things to stop the opposition from clogging up the areas in front of Leaf goalies, he drives me nuts.
Kevin Papetti has tracked Dermott's 5v5 xGF% over the last 10 games and also Rielly's, guess who looks considerably worst, incredibly worse.
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2022/03/06/leafs-musings-the-maple-leafs-need-more-than-just-a-defenseman/
I see Rielly has a better +/- than any other Leaf d-man but as most tell us that's a crap stat, well Rielly has always needed a responsible/excellent defensive partner which shouldn't be a need of a d-man who'll be making $7.5 mil. per for the next 8 years, TO will always have to pair him with a partner making $5 mil. or more per which adds significantly to the cost of retaining Rielly.
Anyways, I've been pretty much on board with most of Dubie's moves/decisions but the Rielly signing has me very nervous, it screams desperation like the Phanny signing. If TO feels the need to move Dermott, then what should they do with Rielly? Ya, I get that Rielly has to face far tougher opposition than Dermott but then Dermott who is paid like a #6 d-man is outplaying who he plays against and therefore an asset, Rielly as a soon to be paid as a #1 d-man is definitely not outplaying his opposition.
It's not totally a d-man issue, the forwards as a whole have wavering commitment to d, but TO's marquee d-man has been and still is not the type of d-man that can be relied on to be productive/responsible when the puck is in his zone. Rielly is a excellent offensive d-man but his d is horrible, don't believe me go back and watch the goals being scored against TO while he's on, zero physicality, no gap control, possibly the best puck watcher on TO even better than the forwards, out of position, rarely/never wins puck battles, the list is quite impressive. I would think that in order for Rielly to be worth his new contract starting next year he absolutely needs to be able to defend, he needs to be able to show and tell Lily, Sandin and Dermott how to play their position because he can. He's the worst offender of TO's d-men who doesn't do the right things to stop the opposition from clogging up the areas in front of Leaf goalies, he drives me nuts.
Kevin Papetti has tracked Dermott's 5v5 xGF% over the last 10 games and also Rielly's, guess who looks considerably worst, incredibly worse.
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2022/03/06/leafs-musings-the-maple-leafs-need-more-than-just-a-defenseman/
I see Rielly has a better +/- than any other Leaf d-man but as most tell us that's a crap stat, well Rielly has always needed a responsible/excellent defensive partner which shouldn't be a need of a d-man who'll be making $7.5 mil. per for the next 8 years, TO will always have to pair him with a partner making $5 mil. or more per which adds significantly to the cost of retaining Rielly.
Anyways, I've been pretty much on board with most of Dubie's moves/decisions but the Rielly signing has me very nervous, it screams desperation like the Phanny signing. If TO feels the need to move Dermott, then what should they do with Rielly? Ya, I get that Rielly has to face far tougher opposition than Dermott but then Dermott who is paid like a #6 d-man is outplaying who he plays against and therefore an asset, Rielly as a soon to be paid as a #1 d-man is definitely not outplaying his opposition.
Redleaf
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While I agree a lot of the Leafs issues right now are related to the play of their D, clearly their goaltending is not of the same calibre it was earlier in the season.
Recently this thought keeps coming up in my head? can you imagine if not resigning Freddie Andersen becomes the ultimate undoing of Dubas?
Recently this thought keeps coming up in my head? can you imagine if not resigning Freddie Andersen becomes the ultimate undoing of Dubas?
Guilt Trip
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Wishful thinking but I don't see that happening.Zee said:
RedLeaf said:
It seemed to me that TO faced a lot of covid weakened opponents earlier in the year and the TO that we saw in the 1st period against Columbus was what TO looked to be earlier in the season but now that the teams are healthier even bad teams are making the Leafs look anemic.
It amazes me how bad TO can look, like losing to Pitts. back in Oct., 7-1 and Pitts. didn't have Crosby, Malkin and Letang. I can't imagine how useless TO would be without Matthews, Marner and Nylander or Brodie. I do know that Kerfoot isn't any sort of player that TO could rely on to replace any of those players and he's TO's 5 highest paid forward.