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2022-23 NHL Thread

I?d like to echo Nik?s note about the NHL being the pinnacle achievement for this career path. Getting a second chance doesn?t mean he should automatically zoom back to the front of the line. Second chance in this situation is already the fact he is still able to go to a regular school and get a job later.

It?s telling that even Boston Bruin fans are calling their team out for this. And Sweeney and Bergeron?s statements are pretty damning.

Akim Aliu got blacklisted for standing up to systemic hazing and bullying in hockey. Colin Kaepernick gets booted and also blacklisted for peacefully protesting systemic racism. And Miller gets drafted, renounced once the horrifying circumstances of his conviction were revealed, and then signed to a NHL contract 98% of hockey players never even get a sniff of.
 
Thanks folks for the education on this, I was wrongly under the impression that this was an isolated incident that the young man had apologized and made amends for.

It's understandable why this has prompted such a visceral response in many.

It's a strange decision from the Bruins, even more callous than you'd normally expect from "Hockey Men".
 
Nik said:
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
However, when did we as a society decide that children had to be beaten in the public square to the point that their whole life is ruined for a mistake they made at 13 or 14?

So I think there's a few things there. One, I think that if we're going to come to a reasonable understanding here it's best to speak plainly. Usually the word "mistake" connotates some sort of statement about a lack of intent. If I'm not paying attention to the road and I'm going too fast and I can't stop in time before I rear end the car in front of me, that's a mistake. I'm going too fast and I see a car in front of me and I speed up thinking "Let's see what ramming a car is like" that probably wouldn't be described as a "mistake" so much as a conscious choice.

But heck, that's semantics mainly. Let's remove the notion of intent from the word. The real problem is describing a period of harrassment as "a" mistake. It wasn't. It was a pattern of them. That demonstrate something real about someone's character.

So let's be clear and not minimize what he did and re-focus the question. When did we, as a society, decide that someone's whole life could be ruined for a series of really bad things they decided to do at 14? Now, genuinely, I think that's a fair question. I like to think most of us believe in redemption and rehabilitation and so on and so forth.

But that's when we get to the real crux of things. Is not getting to play in the NHL really akin to ruining someone's life? Don't people have decent lives without making the NHL, even if they really wanted to make it? With all due respect, I think that if we knew of someone who's dream of playing in the NHL was dashed because of something that was genuinely not their fault, a broken leg for instance, we would of course feel sympathy for that person if they were deeply upset but as soon as we went back to being rational we'd probably see that person saying "their life is ruined" as a result was probably being a little dramatic.

The NHL is the peak of the peak of the peak. A very small number of people get to play in it despite many, many people wanting to. We're comfortable every day with those dreams being dashed because a young player isn't as good a hockey player as the NHL demands but if a player is judged not a good enough person(again, based on a series of decisions they made) to be a good representative of the league to its paying customers...that's the terrible injustice society is perpetrating? That's when we become a vengeful mob?

I think if you look at it in that context I'm not sure there's a real argument here. Imagine if we look at the NHL as akin to a young student really wanting to go to Harvard or another prestigious Ivy League school. Well, then again, re-focus your question. When did we, as a society, decide that the actions of a young man maybe would preclude him from getting to go to his absolute #1 choice university if they were indicative of being a crummy person? Forever. Would we have a lot of sympathy for someone who said their life was ruined because they couldn't get into a fancy school? I'm guessing not, even if the young person in question was very bright and academically worthy of entry.

The hard cold realism of the NHL is that it's not just about pure talent. The NHL is in the entertainment business and, sure, part of that is putting the best possible team on the ice. But part of that is also listening to fans about the kinds of people they want to spend their money on watching and cheering. I really don't think it's akin to some sort of terrible sin for large groups of people to look at this guy and say "pass" on having him associated with their entertainment dollar when, as herman points out, there's really not a lot there to make us think he's changed in a significant way.

Great post. Encapsulates a lot of what many are feeling. It?s the evidence of repeated incidents that stand out. This is an awful look on the NHL. For the Bruins? Not as surprised.
 
https://twitter.com/zeisberger/status/1588934071870423042

https://twitter.com/koshtorontosun/status/1588936555283902465
 
They didn?t sign him to an AHL contract.  They signed him to an NHL ELC.  He may not be able to play in the NHL (for now) but he does have an NHL contract.
 
L K said:
They didn?t sign him to an AHL contract.  They signed him to an NHL ELC.  He may not be able to play in the NHL (for now) but he does have an NHL contract.
If the Bruins want to waste a contract, let them. I don't think the NHL can stop a team from signing anyone but they can stop that player from playing in the league.
 
L K said:
They didn?t sign him to an AHL contract.  They signed him to an NHL ELC.  He may not be able to play in the NHL (for now) but he does have an NHL contract.

Exactly.

And the writing is on the wall given Bettman reiterating the "as a 14 year old" narrative.  That right there is all I needed to read to understand where they're going with this.

Everything else he said is just window dressing.
 
Frank E said:
L K said:
They didn?t sign him to an AHL contract.  They signed him to an NHL ELC.  He may not be able to play in the NHL (for now) but he does have an NHL contract.

Exactly.

And the writing is on the wall given Bettman reiterating the "as a 14 year old" narrative.  That right there is all I needed to read to understand where they're going with this.

Everything else he said is just window dressing.

Pretty much.  DeAngelo is in the league, if this kid can play, they'll find a way to slide him in after performing enough mea culpas.
 
https://twitter.com/nhlplayersafety/status/1589313943449001984

https://twitter.com/jahsinthe/status/1589170952147197953
 
Yeah. That was entirely unnecessary. He should get a long one for that. He won?t, but he should. Not sure how a phone hearing even cuts it.
 
Because George Parros is bad at his job and the NHL executive continues to have him do it.

My guess is he will get 1 game containing the trend of having a smaller penalty than Matthews got for his crosscheck  last year
 
So that?s two teams that have lit themselves on fire for this guy. After doing a long stretch of due diligence that is immediately debunked. And he?s not even that good!

What clown car operations are these guys running? Somewhat understandable for Arizona to do this at the draft, but for Boston to follow that up with literally nothing learned is bizarre. All they had to do was follow up with the victim?s family instead of taking the prospective player?s word for it.

https://twitter.com/peteblackburn/status/1589444813052837888
 
I don't buy the bs they're spewing. They knew what he did. What they didn't expect was the reaction they got, especially from their own players and fans.
 
Yeah, there was a pretty focused campaign by the Bruins fanbase to contact advertisers and complain about this.  I think we all know why this was undone and it had nothing to do with new information. 

What a bizarre scenario.

On the plus side, he gets a 2.7M buyout for doing nothing other than being a horrible person so that's great!
 
L K said:
Yeah, there was a pretty focused campaign by the Bruins fanbase to contact advertisers and complain about this.  I think we all know why this was undone and it had nothing to do with new information. 

What a bizarre scenario.

On the plus side, he gets a 2.7M buyout for doing nothing other than being a horrible person so that's great!
Are you sure about the buyout? I thought there just going to terminate the contract.
 
This is just such a weirdly unforced error. Like, ok, if this kid were an absolute no questions asked elite talent who's going to step onto your top pairing and contribute...at least then you see the coldblooded rationale of putting wins about whatever you risk in bad press but that's not really the case here so there's not much to explain the thinking here. Well, other than I think it's been made pretty clear over the years that a lot of the people who work in hockey will naturally sympathize with the bullies and not the bullied.
 
Guilt Trip said:
L K said:
Yeah, there was a pretty focused campaign by the Bruins fanbase to contact advertisers and complain about this.  I think we all know why this was undone and it had nothing to do with new information. 

What a bizarre scenario.

On the plus side, he gets a 2.7M buyout for doing nothing other than being a horrible person so that's great!
Are you sure about the buyout? I thought there just going to terminate the contract.

Contract termination would have to be mutually agreed upon (unconditional waivers). I don't think any other team is going to pick this up given the public scrutiny and even the NHL head office kiboshing it without a written policy.

So there's likely a legal course for a contracted player to gain back some (if not all) of the terminated deal that was signed and registered. NHLPA will likely get involved even though it might be distasteful to most of them.
 
herman said:
Guilt Trip said:
L K said:
Yeah, there was a pretty focused campaign by the Bruins fanbase to contact advertisers and complain about this.  I think we all know why this was undone and it had nothing to do with new information. 

What a bizarre scenario.

On the plus side, he gets a 2.7M buyout for doing nothing other than being a horrible person so that's great!
Are you sure about the buyout? I thought there just going to terminate the contract.

Contract termination would have to be mutually agreed upon (unconditional waivers). I don't think any other team is going to pick this up given the public scrutiny and even the NHL head office kiboshing it without a written policy.

So there's likely a legal course for a contracted player to gain back some (if not all) of the terminated deal that was signed and registered. NHLPA will likely get involved even though it might be distasteful to most of them.

Maybe he wont' grieve it but it seems like a hard case to justify any form of justified breach of contract from Miller.  Everything he did stemmed from acts years ago (and his lack of remorse) so I'm not sure that there would be grounds to say that he violated the terms of his contract. 
 

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