AA leaving?
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bustaheims
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cabber24 said:
Who was almost 40 years old and had major question marks around his ability to repeat that kind of season. The Dickey trade was a bad trade.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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AA will be on McCowan at 6:00.
Highlander
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Dickey trade sucked for sure, my earlier comments where not directed at AA having a hand in the scouting but that his previous scouting experience certainly didnt hurt his decision making when it came to the draft table.
Anyway its a shitty way to run a business and Shapiro better be good.
Anyway its a shitty way to run a business and Shapiro better be good.
Kin
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Highlander said:
Again, they offered AA a contract. The dispute isn't about money. So what about this is a bad way to run a business? The fact that they didn't look at AA's tenure and say that he shouldn't have to answer to anyone? That they didn't think he was perfect?
Absent knowing the specifics of why he's leaving, what are you criticizing the Blue Jays for?
bustaheims
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cabber24 said:
Because they made some headline grabbing moves in the offseason. The Padres were among the favourites coming into this season for the same reason. Being the media selected favourites means absolutely zero. How did it work out for them?
Nik the Trik said:
I think it might be tougher than some think to keep the group together past next season.
Donaldson, Bautista, Martin and Encarnacion cost the team 31M in 2015. By 2017 those 5 could easily cost 80M by then, throw in Tulo and that's 100M on five players. Even if the Jays go as high as 160M, they won't be able to keep that offense, fill out the rest of the line up, and afford a quality pitching staff. Not to mention that none of those 5 are exactly young.
Captain Canuck
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For AA to turn down a 5 year deal to stay with the Jays after the incredible success of the past few months there has to be a serious divide between ownership/Shapiro and himself.
As others have mentioned this is an incredibly frustrating turn of events as it kills some of the positive momentum the Jays were starting to garner.
Lots of questions to answer:
Who will be GM? Will Shapiro take on a duel president/GM role or bring someone else in as GM?
What does this mean for the future of Gibby and the coaching staff?
How does this affect the free agent market? Will the Jays lose free agents like Price and Estrada who were brought to town by AA?
As others have mentioned this is an incredibly frustrating turn of events as it kills some of the positive momentum the Jays were starting to garner.
Lots of questions to answer:
Who will be GM? Will Shapiro take on a duel president/GM role or bring someone else in as GM?
What does this mean for the future of Gibby and the coaching staff?
How does this affect the free agent market? Will the Jays lose free agents like Price and Estrada who were brought to town by AA?
dappleganger
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Nik the Trik said:
How do you know they don't have any loyalty toward AA? Those two pitchers are GOING to get paid, they won't be looking for it.
What does it say about an organization that can't re-sign their GM, that by all accounts, they really wanted to re-sign?
hockeyfan1
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This probably explains plenty:
When Mark Shapiro was hired as the president of the Toronto Blue Jays at the end of August, replacing Paul Beeston, the move signalled a full-scale culture shift for a franchise that has done business essentially the same way since the earliest days of its existence.
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Among the Blue Jays? current staff there is still direct lineage going back not just to the glory days of the late ?80s and early ?90s, but to that first April afternoon when Doug Ault briefly became a household name. Beeston dated back even farther than that ? he was hired to look after the books as the team?s first employee.
Anthopoulos was a product of that old culture (though he also chafed against it at times, and though he in fact began his career with the Montreal Expos.) It was within the Blue Jays organization that he learned the ropes, that he quickly rose through the ranks and that he was given an opportunity to run the team at a very early stage in his career.
...the fact that Beeston gave him a shot after the firing of J.P. Ricciardi rather than going out and hiring a new general manager from elsewhere was a very Blue Jays thing to do. So was the fact that Anthopoulos was granted a significant degree of autonomy in running the baseball side of the business. There were payroll parameters, and occasionally Beeston or ownership intervened to push or block a trade or a signing. But beyond that, Anthopoulos could shape the organization as he liked, hire the field manager he wanted, and make whatever deals he could as long as he didn?t spend outside the bounds of his budget.
t wasn?t going to be like that anymore, and Anthopoulos knew it. He knew it as far back as last fall, when stories surfaced about the possible hiring of Dan Duquette or Kenny Williams as team president ? both of them with baseball operations pedigrees. Maybe they could work something out, which allowed him to retain his autonomy, to retain the final say on personnel matters. But that would be a long shot, even if there was a pre-existing relationship.
Shapiro he didn?t know at all, and the former Cleveland Indians GM and president came from a different place, where they did things differently, where there were different loyalties, where there was a very different history. He is by all accounts a detail person, a memo person, a meeting person ? none of which are labels anyone would apply to Beeston. He will make the Jays more button down, more efficient, more modern, and more a part of a larger communications company.
Story:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/anthopoulos-exit-a-product-of-blue-jays-culture-shift/
When Mark Shapiro was hired as the president of the Toronto Blue Jays at the end of August, replacing Paul Beeston, the move signalled a full-scale culture shift for a franchise that has done business essentially the same way since the earliest days of its existence.
......
Among the Blue Jays? current staff there is still direct lineage going back not just to the glory days of the late ?80s and early ?90s, but to that first April afternoon when Doug Ault briefly became a household name. Beeston dated back even farther than that ? he was hired to look after the books as the team?s first employee.
Anthopoulos was a product of that old culture (though he also chafed against it at times, and though he in fact began his career with the Montreal Expos.) It was within the Blue Jays organization that he learned the ropes, that he quickly rose through the ranks and that he was given an opportunity to run the team at a very early stage in his career.
...the fact that Beeston gave him a shot after the firing of J.P. Ricciardi rather than going out and hiring a new general manager from elsewhere was a very Blue Jays thing to do. So was the fact that Anthopoulos was granted a significant degree of autonomy in running the baseball side of the business. There were payroll parameters, and occasionally Beeston or ownership intervened to push or block a trade or a signing. But beyond that, Anthopoulos could shape the organization as he liked, hire the field manager he wanted, and make whatever deals he could as long as he didn?t spend outside the bounds of his budget.
t wasn?t going to be like that anymore, and Anthopoulos knew it. He knew it as far back as last fall, when stories surfaced about the possible hiring of Dan Duquette or Kenny Williams as team president ? both of them with baseball operations pedigrees. Maybe they could work something out, which allowed him to retain his autonomy, to retain the final say on personnel matters. But that would be a long shot, even if there was a pre-existing relationship.
Shapiro he didn?t know at all, and the former Cleveland Indians GM and president came from a different place, where they did things differently, where there were different loyalties, where there was a very different history. He is by all accounts a detail person, a memo person, a meeting person ? none of which are labels anyone would apply to Beeston. He will make the Jays more button down, more efficient, more modern, and more a part of a larger communications company.
Story:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/anthopoulos-exit-a-product-of-blue-jays-culture-shift/
Kin
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Nik the Troll said:
Because it wouldn't be based on anything. AA didn't do anything for them. They've been in the organization for less than a year.
Nik the Troll said:
Nothing inherently. Especially not if that GM didn't want any sort of oversight as he built an unsustainable team.
Ken Rosenthal reports that the 5 year deal had a year 1 out clause if AA just couldn't take it with Shapiro.
I think this is Rogers coming out and saying 'hey we tried'. Honestly I can make an argument for both sides here...
Sources: #BlueJays? five-year offer to Anthopoulos gave him right to opt out after one year if relationship with Shapiro was not working.
I think this is Rogers coming out and saying 'hey we tried'. Honestly I can make an argument for both sides here...
Sources: #BlueJays? five-year offer to Anthopoulos gave him right to opt out after one year if relationship with Shapiro was not working.