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Armchair GM 2017-2018

Quite frankly if we wanted to improve our 3LD spot the answer is really staring us in the face...

https://twitter.com/markhmasters/status/930557799549034501

Twitter knew to pop this to the very top of my feed when I opened it even though it was posted 6 hours ago. They really get me.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Quite frankly if we wanted to improve our 3LD spot the answer is really staring us in the face...

https://twitter.com/markhmasters/status/930557799549034501

Twitter knew to pop this to the very top of my feed when I opened it even though it was posted 6 hours ago. They really get me.
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Yeah.  Borgman seems to have hit a wall and is starting to struggle.  I hope Marincin comes back up with his confidence back.  We could really use him on the PK- Hainsey and Zaitsev are seeing way too much ice there.
 
You guys are nuts.  Marincin struggles at the NHL level...bad feet.

Ben Smith is another superior AHL player that has big trouble against NHL players.
 
Frank E said:
You guys are nuts.  Marincin struggles at the NHL level...bad feet.

Ben Smith is another superior AHL player that has big trouble against NHL players.
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Maybe he meant Travis Dermott?
 
Doughty thinks he deserves quite a bit more then Subban. Mentions Babcock and the Leafs again. I believe the Shanaplan includes players leaving $s on the table to be apart of something great. I am not convinced Doughty would be willing to do that. Who knows maybe the math can work.
 
cabber24 said:
Doughty thinks he deserves quite a bit more then Subban. Mentions Babcock and the Leafs again. I believe the Shanaplan includes players leaving $s on the table to be apart of something great. I am not convinced Doughty would be willing to do that. Who knows maybe the math can work.
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Oh he'll be apart from this team alright, at more than Subban.
 
If your "plan" involves players taking under market deals for your benefit it's probably around that point where it stops becoming a plan and starts becoming a hope.
 
Nik the Trik said:
If your "plan" involves players taking under market deals for your benefit it's probably around that point where it stops becoming a plan and starts becoming a hope.
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He said that's the culture he would like to build and claims he did just that to be apart of Detroit's greatness. It's a privlage to play for dynasty. All parties need to be on the same page. Although I know players want to be paid I also know they want to win and if they want everyone to fit so they can win they maybe willing to take less. It does happen.
 
Nik the Trik said:
If your "plan" involves players taking under market deals for your benefit it's probably around that point where it stops becoming a plan and starts becoming a hope.
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This is a very accurate statement.

But Doughty at $7ish X 6, I would make room for...but I don't do $9m at his age.

Wonder what it would take to get Ellis out of Nashville...
 
cabber24 said:
He said that's the culture he would like to build and claims he did just that to be apart of Detroit's greatness.
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That doesn't really make a ton of sense given the timeline there. Shanahan wasn't a free agent until he was 31. So he had no real leverage to leave until he was 31(and there wasn't a cap). Shanahan didn't turn 31 until 2001 when Detroit had already won 2 Cups. You could maybe argue that some of the pieces Detroit added for their '02 cup took less "to play on a dynasty" but, again, Detroit already was one at that point.

There's a pretty significant difference between getting guys on a team that have already achieved greatness taking less to keep the gang together and trying to convince major pieces to come to your team so that you can eventually achieve greatness. If the Leafs already have a cup under their belt when Doughty is a free agent it's a very different negotiation(not the least of which because he is then arguably superfluous).

But again, you can't really plan for either. Coming across a Marian Hossa-type deal was very nice for the Hawks but they couldn't have planned for it. The same applies here, not the least of which because Hossa-type deals can't happen anymore.
 
Nik the Trik said:
cabber24 said:
He said that's the culture he would like to build and claims he did just that to be apart of Detroit's greatness.
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That doesn't really make a ton of sense given the timeline there. Shanahan wasn't a free agent until he was 31. So he had no real leverage to leave until he was 31(and there wasn't a cap). Shanahan didn't turn 31 until 2001 when Detroit had already won 2 Cups. You could maybe argue that some of the pieces Detroit added for their '02 cup took less "to play on a dynasty" but, again, Detroit already was one at that point.

There's a pretty significant difference between getting guys on a team that have already achieved greatness taking less to keep the gang together and trying to convince major pieces to come to your team so that you can eventually achieve greatness. If the Leafs already have a cup under their belt when Doughty is a free agent it's a very different negotiation(not the least of which because he is then arguably superfluous).

But again, you can't really plan for either. Coming across a Marian Hossa-type deal was very nice for the Hawks but they couldn't have planned for it. The same applies here, not the least of which because Hossa-type deals can't happen anymore.
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No you can't plan for those things but you can create a culture around your team that makes it an attractive place to play. I think you can get solid idea of how Shanahan would like his team to be run through his quote regarding the passing of former Detroit Red Wings owner Mike Ilitch:

"Mike Ilitch and his family made every player that had the good fortune of playing for him feel like a new member of his family," said former Red Wings player Brendan Shanahan, now president of the Toronto Maple Leafs. "We saw the joyful tears in his eyes when [Steve Yzerman] first handed him the Cup in 1997. We watched him sit bedside with Vladimir Konstantinov after his tragic accident a week later. He was more than a team owner. It was personal. We were all his adopted 'boys' and he helped us all become men. His passing is extremely painful to all those who knew him and loved him. Our thoughts and prayers are with his wife, Marian, and the rest of his family. His legacy in hockey will live on. Thank you Mr. I. Rest in peace."

Talking to a die hard Wings fan I came to realization that Detroit's team culture off the ice has been integral to their success and that Detroit's team culture was superior to most, if not all. The Wings fans give Ilitch so much credit for culture that was built around the team.

I know things aren't the same in Toronto but I do believe in Shanahan's approach. At least one of the best D man is considering Toronto maybe even lobbying for Toronto. It does appear Toronto has become a more attractive place to play on and off the ice.
 
Yeah, I still think that's chicken and the egg stuff. Did whatever culture was fostered there help them win and attract players or did assembling a good team that led to winning help them foster a general atmosphere that was good which then attracted players. I tend to believe it's the  latter in these cases which then gets remembered as the former. I'm sure I could find a lot of quotes about owners who were similarly admired because they treated players fairly well but who didn't have similar success because that's not really how you achieve success(Ted Leonsis comes to mind).

To that extent I don't think that what Doughty's saying is all that different from what we've heard from locally grown impending free agents since time immemorial and I'd be cautious about attributing it to anything that's been done by current management outside of maybe putting together a more competitive team.

None of which still addresses the idea of guys taking under market values. Mike Ilitch may have been beloved by his players and fans but Sergei Fedorov still signed that offer sheet in Carolina.
 
http://ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/ottawa-senators/its-just-business-karlsson-wont-accept-anything-less-than-fair-market-value

?When I go to market, I?m going to get what I?m worth, and it?s going to be no less, no matter where I?m going,? Karlsson said following the club?s practice [...]

?That?s the business part of it. That?s the way every player has been treated ever since this league has started, and I think the players have been a little bit on the other side of things when it comes to negotiations. I think it?s time to realize that when we go to the table, it?s business on both parts, not just (owners).?
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:D
 
No because we'd be so weak at our other positions at that point that I don't think Karlsson makes up for it.
 
Bender said:
No because we'd be so weak at our other positions at that point that I don't think Karlsson makes up for it.
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Also, why trade when we can simply wait, and entice him with the prospect of playing with the Big 3?
 
Bender said:
Have fun not playing for a contender.
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If teams can't build contenders paying great players market prices then something is fundamentally broken with the sport.
 
Bender said:
No because we'd be so weak at our other positions at that point that I don't think Karlsson makes up for it.
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Hard to say.  It's certainly a steep price, but Reilly - Karlsson could make for a pretty dominant pairing if Reilly keeps up his season (and they gel together).  I'm honestly on the fence...  Probably leaning towards no?

Hyman - Matthews - Brown
Leivo - Kadri - Komarov
JvR - Marleau - Kapanen
Martin - Bozak - Soshnikov
Moore

Reilly - Karlsson
Gardiner - Hainsey
Dermott - Zaitsev
Borgman - Carrick

Andersen


Edit: Of course, I didn't bother to consider cap with the above lineup...
Edit2: Looks like the above roster is over the cap by 700k.  Trade out Bozak and use Moore or Aaltonen and yer under by 2.5M:

Hyman - Matthews - Brown
Leivo - Kadri - Komarov
JvR - Marleau - Kapanen
Martin - Aaltonen/Moore - Soshnikov
Moore/Aaltonen

Reilly - Karlsson
Gardiner - Hainsey
Dermott - Zaitsev
Borgman - Carrick
 
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