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Armstrong bought out

bustaheims said:
That's probably a little more chaotic than the league would like, but, I think the option to take the hit over the remaining length of the contract instead of double should be an option.
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That strikes me as the sort of thing that you'd get pushback from on all sides. Remember, the league and the PA don't want buy-outs. They're probably inclined to make them less attractive not more.
 
I don't know if this stat exists, but I could have sworn that the Leafs never lost a game with Armstrong in the lineup.  Maybe 1 or 2 ...but most of the time they won games in which he played.

I believe his agitator role helped opposing teams get off their games which allowed the Leafs to take advantage, score goals and win.

Just too bad he was injured so much.  One can only wonder how much of a difference Armstrong could have made had he been able to play (close to) full seasons.
 
895 said:
I don't know if this stat exists, but I could have sworn that the Leafs never lost a game with Armstrong in the lineup.  Maybe 1 or 2 ...but most of the time they won games in which he played.
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It was already brought up in this thread. Here you go:

bustaheims said:
38-33-8 with him (87 point pace). 34-38-13 without him (78 point pace).
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So not all that big of a difference with him or without him.
 
Nik? said:
895 said:
I don't know if this stat exists, but I could have sworn that the Leafs never lost a game with Armstrong in the lineup.  Maybe 1 or 2 ...but most of the time they won games in which he played.
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It was already brought up in this thread. Here you go:

bustaheims said:
38-33-8 with him (87 point pace). 34-38-13 without him (78 point pace).
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So not all that big of a difference with him or without him.
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Ok thank you for the stats.  Sorry I did not see them in the thread.  Not a huge difference, but still somewhat noticeable. 
 
Madferret said:
I wish you guys would let Zee fight his own battles  :-*
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I went to sleep right after posting. If you're going to include trades into "corrections" like Versteeg and Beauchemin I really don't know what to say. The PA has an issue with players being traded as well as bought out?  Your list is weak.
 
Nik? said:
That strikes me as the sort of thing that you'd get pushback from on all sides. Remember, the league and the PA don't want buy-outs. They're probably inclined to make them less attractive not more.
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Forgive me but, huh? Who from the league and PA said this? Was this not part of collective bargaining, agreed upon by both parties?
 
Sgt said:
Nik? said:
That strikes me as the sort of thing that you'd get pushback from on all sides. Remember, the league and the PA don't want buy-outs. They're probably inclined to make them less attractive not more.
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Forgive me but, huh? Who from the league and PA said this? Was this not part of collective bargaining, agreed upon by both parties?
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Ideally, in pro sports, every contract is a good one. But we know that in actual practice, it doesn't work out that way a significant percentage of the time.

It's the only way under the current CBA an owner can save bucks on a bad contract in a system where all contracts are guaranteed. So if they were to get rid of it without replacing it, the owners wouldn't be jumping up and down with glee. There's a good financial reason some contracts end with buy outs.

And aside from waiving to the minors (when there's no NMC), it's the only other way for a GM to shed cap dough to make room without a trade. In a cap system, you pretty much have to have mechanisms like this or the GMs hands are too frozen to adjust their roster to make room for future talent.

If anything, to me, the system is too restrictive and I agree with Burke that some allowance for cap dollar trades would be reasonable.

I also like giving the GM the option to take the hit in one season. That can consume cap space in a noncompetitive year and free it for a future competitive year. And I think the player/PA wouldn't complain bitterly getting their dough up front as well.
 
cw said:
Sgt said:
Nik? said:
That strikes me as the sort of thing that you'd get pushback from on all sides. Remember, the league and the PA don't want buy-outs. They're probably inclined to make them less attractive not more.
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Forgive me but, huh? Who from the league and PA said this? Was this not part of collective bargaining, agreed upon by both parties?
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Ideally, in pro sports, every contract is a good one. But we know that in actual practice, it doesn't work out that way a significant percentage of the time.

It's the only way under the current CBA an owner can save bucks on a bad contract in a system where all contracts are guaranteed. So if they were to get rid of it without replacing it, the owners wouldn't be jumping up and down with glee. There's a good financial reason some contracts end with buy outs.

And aside from waiving to the minors (when there's no NMC), it's the only other way for a GM to shed cap dough to make room without a trade. In a cap system, you pretty much have to have mechanisms like this or the GMs hands are too frozen to adjust their roster to make room for future talent.

If anything, to me, the system is too restrictive and I agree with Burke that some allowance for cap dollar trades would be reasonable.

I also like giving the GM the option to take the hit in one season. That can consume cap space in a noncompetitive year and free it for a future competitive year. And I think the player/PA wouldn't complain bitterly getting their dough up front as well.
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Yeah, that's kind of what I suggested last night. I'd like to see teams be able to spread it around as they see fit.
 
Sgt said:
Forgive me but, huh? Who from the league and PA said this? Was this not part of collective bargaining, agreed upon by both parties?
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I said they don't want them, not that they don't think they should be allowed. While both parties recognize the need for a corrective mechanism in a hard cap league they don't want to encourage them or make them easier or palatable. They're designed, at least in part, to be punitive so that teams would ideally think twice before signing crummy contracts. Likewise the PA wants cap dollars going to guys on NHL teams getting the full value of their contract. They don't want the Islanders to be paying Alexei Yashin money they could be paying PA Parenteau
 
Nik? said:
895 said:
I don't know if this stat exists, but I could have sworn that the Leafs never lost a game with Armstrong in the lineup.  Maybe 1 or 2 ...but most of the time they won games in which he played.
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It was already brought up in this thread. Here you go:

bustaheims said:
38-33-8 with him (87 point pace). 34-38-13 without him (78 point pace).
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So not all that big of a difference with him or without him.
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So, I guess it turns out the Leafs weren't undefeated in 77 to 79 of the 79 games that Armstrong played, after all.
 
In fairness to the people talking about the Leafs being better with Army than without. I think after around 40/50 games when he first signed they had a significantly better record when he was healthy and in the team. It all stemmed from Wilson tossing out that fact in a presser I believe.

The stat was an aberration of course and quickly corrected itself.
 
armdog: I am so happy to have just agreed to a one year deal with Montreal. So pumped. My fav childhood team. Can't wait #dreamcometrue #habs

Traitor. ;)
 
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
@mirtle

Armstrong tells Sportsnet the Leafs told him "they didn't think I could do it anymore." Says he wants to prove Toronto wrong.
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I didn't think he was very good last year, when he did play.
 
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
@mirtle

Armstrong tells Sportsnet the Leafs told him "they didn't think I could do it anymore." Says he wants to prove Toronto wrong.
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He wasn't the same after the concussion, I wish him well but I'd rather they gave a kid his spot at this point.
 
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