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Bill Peters accused of using racial slur, also fired

Frank E said:
I think maybe some lines are getting crossed up here...

1.  Being subjected to racism by your coach is quite a bit different than a coach yelling at you to play harder/better.
2.  The sexual abuse scandal is quite a bit different than a coach yelling at you to play harder/better.
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Or forcing a rookie to tell who the lazy veterans are, then telling those veterans what the rookie said.  Or choking a player.  Or permitting hazing.  Or throwing sticks, punching doors or kicking garbage cans.  Nothing to see here, got it.
 
A Weekend at Bernier's said:
Frank E said:
I think maybe some lines are getting crossed up here...

1.  Being subjected to racism by your coach is quite a bit different than a coach yelling at you to play harder/better.
2.  The sexual abuse scandal is quite a bit different than a coach yelling at you to play harder/better.
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Or forcing a rookie to tell who the lazy veterans are, then telling those veterans what the rookie said.  Or choking a player.  Or permitting hazing.  Or throwing sticks, punching doors or kicking garbage cans.  Nothing to see here, got it.
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Your examples are all different extremes with varying degrees of potential damage.

There's a big difference between kicking a garbage can and choking a player. Come on man. The only one getting hurt in the garbage can kicking incident is the garbage can.
 
OldTimeHockey said:
A Weekend at Bernier's said:
Frank E said:
I think maybe some lines are getting crossed up here...

1.  Being subjected to racism by your coach is quite a bit different than a coach yelling at you to play harder/better.
2.  The sexual abuse scandal is quite a bit different than a coach yelling at you to play harder/better.
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Or forcing a rookie to tell who the lazy veterans are, then telling those veterans what the rookie said.  Or choking a player.  Or permitting hazing.  Or throwing sticks, punching doors or kicking garbage cans.  Nothing to see here, got it.
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Your examples are all different extremes with varying degrees of potential damage.

There's a big difference between kicking a garbage can and choking a player. Come on man. The only one getting hurt in the garbage can kicking incident is the garbage can.
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I disagree with that entirely.  If the only way you can get your point across is with throwing stuff or punching things you suck at doing your job.
 
L K said:
OldTimeHockey said:
A Weekend at Bernier's said:
Frank E said:
I think maybe some lines are getting crossed up here...

1.  Being subjected to racism by your coach is quite a bit different than a coach yelling at you to play harder/better.
2.  The sexual abuse scandal is quite a bit different than a coach yelling at you to play harder/better.
Click to expand...

Or forcing a rookie to tell who the lazy veterans are, then telling those veterans what the rookie said.  Or choking a player.  Or permitting hazing.  Or throwing sticks, punching doors or kicking garbage cans.  Nothing to see here, got it.
Click to expand...

Your examples are all different extremes with varying degrees of potential damage.

There's a big difference between kicking a garbage can and choking a player. Come on man. The only one getting hurt in the garbage can kicking incident is the garbage can.
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I disagree with that entirely.  If the only way you can get your point across is with throwing stuff or punching things you suck at doing your job.
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Im not sure where I said it was doing your job to kick a garbage can to get a point across. I just said that there's a big difference between kicking said garbage can and choking a player. I'm not sure what there is to disagree with there.
 
OldTimeHockey said:
There's a big difference between kicking a garbage can and choking a player. Come on man. The only one getting hurt in the garbage can kicking incident is the garbage can.
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I don't think anyone's saying that these are the exact same things, just that they're both symptoms of the same fundamental problem.
 
Nik Bethune said:
OldTimeHockey said:
There's a big difference between kicking a garbage can and choking a player. Come on man. The only one getting hurt in the garbage can kicking incident is the garbage can.
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I don't think anyone's saying that these are the exact same things, just that they're both symptoms of the same fundamental problem.
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Sure, but it's like saying talking sternly to your children and smacking them in the back of the head are the same thing.
 
OldTimeHockey said:
Sure, but it's like saying talking sternly to your children and smacking them in the back of the head are the same thing.
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Well, no, because like I just said nobody is saying they're the exact same thing. Just that they're all examples of unprofessional behaviour and that there's a cumulative effect in excusing them as signs of "passion" or a desire to win or an acceptable part of the culture.
 
https://twitter.com/GeoffBakerTIMES/status/1199894033486598144

Some people were wondering if Francis' hand was tied in that situation by ownership. Guess not.
 
Nik Bethune said:
OldTimeHockey said:
There's a big difference between kicking a garbage can and choking a player. Come on man. The only one getting hurt in the garbage can kicking incident is the garbage can.
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I don't think anyone's saying that these are the exact same things, just that they're both symptoms of the same fundamental problem.
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Perhaps no one is saying their the exact same things, but the examples of "unprofessional" behavior is being used in the same discussion as outright abuse/racism in both the media and POVs i've stumbled across. It's extremely unfair to those being accused of the latter, because it's a revisionist shaming at absolute best. I'd wager every single coach in the NHL up to very very recent times has crossed that line. The conversations are legitimate, but need to be very clearly separated.
 
Frycer14 said:
Perhaps no one is saying their the exact same things, but the examples of "unprofessional" behavior is being used in the same discussion as outright abuse/racism in both the media and POVs i've stumbled across. It's extremely unfair to those being accused of the latter, because it's a revisionist shaming at absolute best. I'd wager every single coach in the NHL up to very very recent times has crossed that line. The conversations are legitimate, but need to be very clearly separated.
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I can't speak for what conversations you're talking about but I haven't seen anyone saying that any sort of of unprofessional behaviour is just as bad as the most egregious examples of it. I think, by and large, what the conversation has been about in some quarters is that dealing with the root of the problem, the toxicity that's been allowed to fester in the culture, is probably more important than dealing with individual cases and that those very bad cases come from the same soil as the milder ones.

So I don't really see how you can separate the two when you're trying to talk about the bigger picture.
 
https://twitter.com/MAGodin/status/1200116320521609216

They really do go straight for the person of colour in the dressing room to answer questions about racial discrimination.

Players of colour have an additional uphill climb just to be treated respectfully in this game or given any benefit of the doubt. See how scouts/execs labelled Aliu after the Spitfires incident (what a problem), vs Steve Downie (welcome to Team Canada). This extends to off the ice in general.
 
"Now that our we have finished our rigorous negotiations with his agent as to how much of his salary we can weasel out of investigation into the matter..."
 
You?re usually pretty balanced Nik. While this no doubt was a discussion I really don?t think this was as prevalent as you seem to be saying.
 
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