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Canadiens @ Leafs - May 31st, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590

Guilt Trip said:
Bill_Borg said:
I am doing surprisingly well here. I've prepared well. The trick is assuming they will lose. If you know they will destroy you, it's a lot easier to take.
It's just hockey man...one period to go...maybe lol.

Yep! I'M not the one losing tonight. They are. They should feel bad. I don't. Not one bit.
 
I?m all in for the 3rd period.  Absolutely all in.

But holy heck something is missing.  You can?t get up for a Game 7 on home ice.  Something so seriously not right with this core
 
lamajama said:
Chris said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
azzurri63 said:
Guess I didn?t know what I was talking about but even with the injuries they should have put this series away. If they don?t make some major changes with this core I don?t know what to say. Fukn losers. Thank god I stopped watching early in the series.

But what exactly do you want them to do?  Which one do you want them to trade, and how?

Assuming they lose...the only core piece who should be considered would be Marner, but it would have to be a really good deal. I think maybe you give this group one more year, tweaking around the edges. Replace slow/unproductive players like Thornton and Simmonds with younger, quicker ones. Bring back Spezza, maybe Galchenyuk. Re-sign Hyman only if it is a deal that fits in, we can't mortgage the future to keep him. He's not going to age well and appears to already have lost a step. And hope like heck a couple of younger players (Robertson maybe) are ready to step in and play a regular role.

Thoughtful reply and I agree with so much of what you say but i?ll throw it out there....in trading a superstar (current anger aside) when has the team trading the superstar ever came out ahead? Can?t think of one but people here will likely come up with some examples

I would have told Marner to take a flying you know what when he demanded what he got. Love the kid as a player offensively but way overpaid and hasn't done jack s**t in the playoffs. Plus all season he has made some really boneheaded plays something you shouldn't be seeing from an 11 million dollar player. Get rid of him sure he's elite but all he cares about is himself. Throw the money at a couple solid forwards and players who bring it every night cuz that's what it takes to win a cup. These guys aren't warriors not the core only one I would throw in that category is JT.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I have absolutely no interest in grumbling about refs or pointing fingers at goaltending (whether it's Jack bad/Price good). It's game 7 and 90% of the team is playing like it's a random January regular season game, including our two biggest stars. Just embarrassing.

I don't get this comment.  I think the effort has been there from M&M.  They are just getting whipped by team defense and a great goalie.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
CarltonTheBear said:
I have absolutely no interest in grumbling about refs or pointing fingers at goaltending (whether it's Jack bad/Price good). It's game 7 and 90% of the team is playing like it's a random January regular season game, including our two biggest stars. Just embarrassing.

I don't get this comment.  I think the effort has been there from M&M.  They are just getting whipped by team defense and a great goalie.

I think they are trying...they are just trying the same thing over and over that isn?t working.  Elite players should be able to adapt
 
Bill_Borg said:
Guilt Trip said:
Bill_Borg said:
I am doing surprisingly well here. I've prepared well. The trick is assuming they will lose. If you know they will destroy you, it's a lot easier to take.
It's just hockey man...one period to go...maybe lol.

Yep! I'M not the one losing tonight. They are. They should feel bad. I don't. Not one bit.
Exactly. That's why I find it funny when people say certain losses etc are embarrassing. I'm not embarrassed because I'm not playing. I want then to win but in the grand scheme of things, it won't effect my life at all.
 
If they don?t score in this power play they 100% lose. Get a goal on it and they have a chance.
 
Chris said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
azzurri63 said:
Guess I didn?t know what I was talking about but even with the injuries they should have put this series away. If they don?t make some major changes with this core I don?t know what to say. Fukn losers. Thank god I stopped watching early in the series.

But what exactly do you want them to do?  Which one do you want them to trade, and how?

Assuming they lose...the only core piece who should be considered would be Marner, but it would have to be a really good deal. I think maybe you give this group one more year, tweaking around the edges. Replace slow/unproductive players like Thornton and Simmonds with younger, quicker ones. Bring back Spezza, maybe Galchenyuk. Re-sign Hyman only if it is a deal that fits in, we can't mortgage the future to keep him. He's not going to age well and appears to already have lost a step. And hope like heck a couple of younger players (Robertson maybe) are ready to step in and play a regular role.

No you don't wait another year because with this management it's the same thing rinse and repeat. Robertson should be playing if not hurt. Christ all you have to do is skate and already better than Simmonds and Thornton. No cap room was the problem said it a million times. Great to have the veteran leadership but these guys days are done. This coaching staff is too stubborn and too stupid to see that.
 
L K said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
CarltonTheBear said:
I have absolutely no interest in grumbling about refs or pointing fingers at goaltending (whether it's Jack bad/Price good). It's game 7 and 90% of the team is playing like it's a random January regular season game, including our two biggest stars. Just embarrassing.

I don't get this comment.  I think the effort has been there from M&M.  They are just getting whipped by team defense and a great goalie.

I think they are trying...they are just trying the same thing over and over that isn?t working.  Elite players should be able to adapt
Good grief ? can we honestly stop apologizing for these fragile babies?  You either perform when it counts or you don?t.  They don?t, period.
 
L K said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
CarltonTheBear said:
I have absolutely no interest in grumbling about refs or pointing fingers at goaltending (whether it's Jack bad/Price good). It's game 7 and 90% of the team is playing like it's a random January regular season game, including our two biggest stars. Just embarrassing.

I don't get this comment.  I think the effort has been there from M&M.  They are just getting whipped by team defense and a great goalie.

I think they are trying...they are just trying the same thing over and over that isn?t working.  Elite players should be able to adapt

Matthews' post was the only shot of his in the last 4 games or so that I can recall where he was at all open for his signature slingshot.  They have smothered him and that should have opened up Marner or Hyman or whoever to score. 
 
L K said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
CarltonTheBear said:
I have absolutely no interest in grumbling about refs or pointing fingers at goaltending (whether it's Jack bad/Price good). It's game 7 and 90% of the team is playing like it's a random January regular season game, including our two biggest stars. Just embarrassing.

I don't get this comment.  I think the effort has been there from M&M.  They are just getting whipped by team defense and a great goalie.

I think they are trying...they are just trying the same thing over and over that isn?t working.  Elite players should be able to adapt
I think they are trying as well. Let's see what they can do in the 3rd.
 
azzurri63 said:
Chris said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
azzurri63 said:
Guess I didn?t know what I was talking about but even with the injuries they should have put this series away. If they don?t make some major changes with this core I don?t know what to say. Fukn losers. Thank god I stopped watching early in the series.

But what exactly do you want them to do?  Which one do you want them to trade, and how?

Assuming they lose...the only core piece who should be considered would be Marner, but it would have to be a really good deal. I think maybe you give this group one more year, tweaking around the edges. Replace slow/unproductive players like Thornton and Simmonds with younger, quicker ones. Bring back Spezza, maybe Galchenyuk. Re-sign Hyman only if it is a deal that fits in, we can't mortgage the future to keep him. He's not going to age well and appears to already have lost a step. And hope like heck a couple of younger players (Robertson maybe) are ready to step in and play a regular role.

No you don't wait another year because with this management it's the same thing rinse and repeat. Robertson should be playing if not hurt. Christ all you have to do is skate and already better than Simmonds and Thornton. No cap room was the problem said it a million times. Great to have the veteran leadership but these guys days are done. This coaching staff is too stubborn and too stupid to see that.

I think I'd look to replace Keefe first. We have one more year of Rielly, I think you can try a new coach and see what he can get out of the group. But moving a core piece should definitely be considered.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
L K said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
CarltonTheBear said:
I have absolutely no interest in grumbling about refs or pointing fingers at goaltending (whether it's Jack bad/Price good). It's game 7 and 90% of the team is playing like it's a random January regular season game, including our two biggest stars. Just embarrassing.

I don't get this comment.  I think the effort has been there from M&M.  They are just getting whipped by team defense and a great goalie.

I think they are trying...they are just trying the same thing over and over that isn?t working.  Elite players should be able to adapt

Matthews' post was the only shot of his in the last 4 games or so that I can recall where he was at all open for his signature slingshot.  They have smothered him and that should have opened up Marner or Hyman or whoever to score. 
and that's the issue. Marner and Hyman can't score so like I said before, check Matthews and the line is done.
 
azzurri63 said:
lamajama said:
Chris said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
azzurri63 said:
Guess I didn?t know what I was talking about but even with the injuries they should have put this series away. If they don?t make some major changes with this core I don?t know what to say. Fukn losers. Thank god I stopped watching early in the series.

But what exactly do you want them to do?  Which one do you want them to trade, and how?

Assuming they lose...the only core piece who should be considered would be Marner, but it would have to be a really good deal. I think maybe you give this group one more year, tweaking around the edges. Replace slow/unproductive players like Thornton and Simmonds with younger, quicker ones. Bring back Spezza, maybe Galchenyuk. Re-sign Hyman only if it is a deal that fits in, we can't mortgage the future to keep him. He's not going to age well and appears to already have lost a step. And hope like heck a couple of younger players (Robertson maybe) are ready to step in and play a regular role.

Thoughtful reply and I agree with so much of what you say but i?ll throw it out there....in trading a superstar (current anger aside) when has the team trading the superstar ever came out ahead? Can?t think of one but people here will likely come up with some examples

I would have told Marner to take a flying you know what when he demanded what he got. Love the kid as a player offensively but way overpaid and hasn't done jack s**t in the playoffs. Plus all season he has made some really boneheaded plays something you shouldn't be seeing from an 11 million dollar player. Get rid of him sure he's elite but all he cares about is himself. Throw the money at a couple solid forwards and players who bring it every night cuz that's what it takes to win a cup. These guys aren't warriors not the core only one I would throw in that category is JT.

It started with Dubas bending over for Nylander when he held out. Marner's agent knew he could make the same threat and he'd bend over Dubas as well.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
CarltonTheBear said:
I have absolutely no interest in grumbling about refs or pointing fingers at goaltending (whether it's Jack bad/Price good). It's game 7 and 90% of the team is playing like it's a random January regular season game, including our two biggest stars. Just embarrassing.

I don't get this comment.  I think the effort has been there from M&M.  They are just getting whipped by team defense and a great goalie.

Meh. A team that shouldn't have even made the playoffs shouldn't be able to do that to them. Not in this many games.
 

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