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BermudaBudsFan said:Good grief ? can we honestly stop apologizing for these fragile babies? You either perform when it counts or you don?t. They don?t, period.L K said:Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:CarltonTheBear said:I have absolutely no interest in grumbling about refs or pointing fingers at goaltending (whether it's Jack bad/Price good). It's game 7 and 90% of the team is playing like it's a random January regular season game, including our two biggest stars. Just embarrassing.
I don't get this comment. I think the effort has been there from M&M. They are just getting whipped by team defense and a great goalie.
I think they are trying...they are just trying the same thing over and over that isn?t working. Elite players should be able to adapt
CarltonTheBear said:Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:CarltonTheBear said:I have absolutely no interest in grumbling about refs or pointing fingers at goaltending (whether it's Jack bad/Price good). It's game 7 and 90% of the team is playing like it's a random January regular season game, including our two biggest stars. Just embarrassing.
I don't get this comment. I think the effort has been there from M&M. They are just getting whipped by team defense and a great goalie.
Meh. A team that shouldn't have even made the playoffs shouldn't be able to do that to them. Not in this many games.
Palmateer29 said:azzurri63 said:lamajama said:Chris said:Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:azzurri63 said:Guess I didn?t know what I was talking about but even with the injuries they should have put this series away. If they don?t make some major changes with this core I don?t know what to say. Fukn losers. Thank god I stopped watching early in the series.
But what exactly do you want them to do? Which one do you want them to trade, and how?
Assuming they lose...the only core piece who should be considered would be Marner, but it would have to be a really good deal. I think maybe you give this group one more year, tweaking around the edges. Replace slow/unproductive players like Thornton and Simmonds with younger, quicker ones. Bring back Spezza, maybe Galchenyuk. Re-sign Hyman only if it is a deal that fits in, we can't mortgage the future to keep him. He's not going to age well and appears to already have lost a step. And hope like heck a couple of younger players (Robertson maybe) are ready to step in and play a regular role.
Thoughtful reply and I agree with so much of what you say but i?ll throw it out there....in trading a superstar (current anger aside) when has the team trading the superstar ever came out ahead? Can?t think of one but people here will likely come up with some examples
I would have told Marner to take a flying you know what when he demanded what he got. Love the kid as a player offensively but way overpaid and hasn't done jack s**t in the playoffs. Plus all season he has made some really boneheaded plays something you shouldn't be seeing from an 11 million dollar player. Get rid of him sure he's elite but all he cares about is himself. Throw the money at a couple solid forwards and players who bring it every night cuz that's what it takes to win a cup. These guys aren't warriors not the core only one I would throw in that category is JT.
It started with Dubas bending over for Nylander when he held out. Marner's agent knew he could make the same threat and he'd bend over Dubas as well.
Chris said:Pull the goalie at 10 minutes, maybe?
Chris said:Pull the goalie at 10 minutes, maybe?
Significantly Insignificant said:CarltonTheBear said:Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:CarltonTheBear said:I have absolutely no interest in grumbling about refs or pointing fingers at goaltending (whether it's Jack bad/Price good). It's game 7 and 90% of the team is playing like it's a random January regular season game, including our two biggest stars. Just embarrassing.
I don't get this comment. I think the effort has been there from M&M. They are just getting whipped by team defense and a great goalie.
Meh. A team that shouldn't have even made the playoffs shouldn't be able to do that to them. Not in this many games.
You know some Habs fan is going to be like "I wouldn't trade Kotkaniemi straight up for Matthews."
azzurri63 said:Palmateer29 said:azzurri63 said:lamajama said:Chris said:Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:azzurri63 said:Guess I didn?t know what I was talking about but even with the injuries they should have put this series away. If they don?t make some major changes with this core I don?t know what to say. Fukn losers. Thank god I stopped watching early in the series.
But what exactly do you want them to do? Which one do you want them to trade, and how?
Assuming they lose...the only core piece who should be considered would be Marner, but it would have to be a really good deal. I think maybe you give this group one more year, tweaking around the edges. Replace slow/unproductive players like Thornton and Simmonds with younger, quicker ones. Bring back Spezza, maybe Galchenyuk. Re-sign Hyman only if it is a deal that fits in, we can't mortgage the future to keep him. He's not going to age well and appears to already have lost a step. And hope like heck a couple of younger players (Robertson maybe) are ready to step in and play a regular role.
Thoughtful reply and I agree with so much of what you say but i?ll throw it out there....in trading a superstar (current anger aside) when has the team trading the superstar ever came out ahead? Can?t think of one but people here will likely come up with some examples
I would have told Marner to take a flying you know what when he demanded what he got. Love the kid as a player offensively but way overpaid and hasn't done jack s**t in the playoffs. Plus all season he has made some really boneheaded plays something you shouldn't be seeing from an 11 million dollar player. Get rid of him sure he's elite but all he cares about is himself. Throw the money at a couple solid forwards and players who bring it every night cuz that's what it takes to win a cup. These guys aren't warriors not the core only one I would throw in that category is JT.
It started with Dubas bending over for Nylander when he held out. Marner's agent knew he could make the same threat and he'd bend over Dubas as well.
Bang on said that from day 1 but some don't see that. They were arguably ready for good pay raises but not what was handed out.
Ultimately unless they are carrying you most nights playoffs included you might have an argument but regular season only doesn't cut it.
not embarrassing for me. Shanny and Dubas are going nowhere. This is on the playersBermudaBudsFan said:It really is an embarrassment. I would start with terminating Shanahan and move on from there.