Contracts for the Big-3
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Guilt Trip
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If he wants to stay here he won't have a choice. The Leafs won't have the choice either. Only so much money in a cap world and Nylander is the 4th in the top 4 forwards. He's not getting 8 mill here so he needs to drop his ask.Bullfrog said:
Kin
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Zee said:
Well, that's the other thing. I have no idea what year that's supposed to represent. That has the 4 salaries coming in at a combined 38.5 million but 38.5 million isn't 44% of this year's cap and it would only be 44% of next year's cap if there's almost a 7 million jump in the cap limit for next year.
But that sort of underscores the absurdity of the comparison in the first place(to say nothing of comparing what the Leafs have to do in signing their players to what teams could do with no term limit, back diving deals). If the cap is 86 million or so as suggested next year then 38.5 million is just under 45% of the cap but 42 million, which could break down as Nylander at 8, Marner at 10 and Matthews at 13, is only about four percentage points higher.
It makes sense that the Leafs would rather sign them all for 38.5 as opposed to 42 but the idea that 38.5 has the team capable of contending but 42 is some sort of unworkable quagmire that there's literally no room for doesn't add up at all, especially not when we're already projecting pretty robust cap growth into the calculations. 42 million combined would be at 44% of the cap soon enough.
Hobbes
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What you're all failing to take into consideration is that Sportsnet has enthusiastically embraced the Fox News model of reporting where a gripping, angst-filled "story" is far, far, far more important than ensuring it accuracy. The new gold standard is to make up anything you want if it will further your narrative.Nik the Trik said:
Even TSN is sinking into doing this, although not to quite as egregious a level as their rival.
Moral of the story: trust nothing.
herman said:
Just admit it, you got owned. I mean it's not like you've ever said Kapanen was good or should play on the top line before.
dappleganger
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Does anyone care that Nylander score fewer goals last season than the season before? Had the same amount of points?
Wouldn't you want to see some progression year 2 to 3? Is Nylander a 20-goal/60 point guy?
I find it interesting a guy who posts a 20 goal season and then asks for $8m. If he wanted more money, shouldn't he have put up more points?
Wouldn't you want to see some progression year 2 to 3? Is Nylander a 20-goal/60 point guy?
I find it interesting a guy who posts a 20 goal season and then asks for $8m. If he wanted more money, shouldn't he have put up more points?
Dappleganger said:
Honestly, no. Last season Nylander scored 45 of his points at 5-on-5. That's a 45% improvement from his 5-on-5 point totals in 16/17. Nobody on the Leafs had more than him... Matthews had the same amount (albeit in a lot less games). He finished in the top-25 in 5-on-5 points, and had roughly the same amount or more than guys like Pastrnak, Kane, Hall, Kuznetsov, Draisaitl, Malkin, Tarasenko, Kessel, and Wheeler. He finished 6th in the league in 5-on-5 assists, behind only McDavid, Stamkos, Barzal, Giroux, and Barkov. Those are all very impressive benchmarks for a guy in his 2nd full season.
The only reason he didn't push 70 points was because his PP unit struggled throughout the year. In 16/17 he scored 26 powerplay points, and he actually had the 3rd highest points/60 on the PP in the entire league that season (it's funny that Nylander is almost an after-thought on the Leafs PP now). Last season he scored just 12 points on the powerplay. He is not a 12 PP-point player, so I'm going to assume that there was a bit of bad luck involved there (his on-ice shooting percentage dropped about 4 points).
So all-in-all, I think it's unfair to categorize Nylander as a guy who didn't show noticeable improvement between his 1st and 2nd season even if his point totals remained the same.
Kin
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I've already done a thing about how Nylander's point totals justify his ask more than people are suggesting. If Nylander had scored 25 goals and 70 points getting under 17 minutes a game, pretty limited PP time and with Matthews missing a quarter of the season his ask would probably be justifiably higher.
disco
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After the elite guys and their contracts it seems that teams can have a couple of guys around $5-million, but not a bunch. We already have Andersen, Rielly and Kadri at superb deals in that range. Gardiner is up next year. The better deals the elite guys are on the more of these support guys you can have. That's a huge reason to try and get them on a good AAV. If the superstars take up 45% of your cap...
The bigger problem for me is that he was completely invisible in the playoffs.Dappleganger said:
Nylander definitely has elite skills that Kapanen can only dream of. But after watching both players, my own "eye test" if you will, I will say that I really like Kapanen. I'm not saying he's better than Nylander. I'm simply saying that he fits in extremely well with Auston Matthews and I really like the way he plays the game. He's probably the fastest skater on the team, and he hustles and makes things happen. He blocks shots. He's on the PK unit. He has good hockey sense. So while Nylander has a lethal shot and can make some really sick moves, Kapanen does certain things better than him and other things that he either can not or will not do.
Speaking purely as a teammate, I would rather have Kapanen on my team rather than Nylander. I'm not sure how much weight that should hold. But Kapanen seems like more of a team player, and he is a more complete player in his own way also.
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