Contracts for the Big-3

[princedpw]

Especially if this really sours Nylander's relationship with the team.

I agree that the sourcing of the relationship is an important consideration here.

 

[ZBBM]

If Nylander declares now that he doesn't want to play for the Leafs, well of course you trade him.  Absent that, I am still inclined to keeping him even if he doesn't sign.  If, after November, he then declares he doesn't want to play for the Leafs, then you trade him.  Will his trade value at that point be any worse than it would be trading him right before this month's deadline?  I highly doubt it.

My post wasn't talking about offer sheets.  If one comes along this month, then obviously the whole situation changes. 

 

[Kin]

If, after November, he then declares he doesn't want to play for the Leafs, then you trade him.  Will his trade value at that point be any worse than it would be trading him right before this month's deadline?  I highly doubt it.

I think a player is always likely to fetch a less impressive return if the situation shifts from one where you could credibly bring him back vs. one where you couldn't. The longer this drags on, for any reason, the likelier it is that the Leafs and/or Nylander reach that point.

My post wasn't talking about offer sheets.  If one comes along this month, then obviously the whole situation changes.

Right, and I'm saying that the offer sheet thing is something that always has to be considered. An offer sheet doesn't necessarily "come along" and give the Leafs time to change strategies. At any minute now the Leafs could find themselves in a situation where Nylander says he doesn't want to be a Leaf and has already signed an offer sheet. At which point the Leafs options are take RFA comp or bring back a guy who doesn't want to be here.

By trading him now the Leafs avoid that scenario, regardless of how likely it may or may not be.

 

[ZBBM]

We'll have to disagree on whether trading him before this month's deadline or doing so after he spends a season playing elsewhere makes any significant difference.

To the offer sheet thing: Are you saying the Leafs should trade him now to preemptively avoid having to respond to his possibly signing an offer sheet?  I mean, sure, if he at this point declares he doesn't want to be a Leaf, then the whole dynamic changes and my argument for Dubas's not trading him goes away ? as I've already said.

 

[Kin]

To the offer sheet thing: Are you saying the Leafs should trade him now to preemptively avoid having to respond to his possibly signing an offer sheet?  I mean, sure, if he at this point declares he doesn't want to be a Leaf, then the whole dynamic changes and my argument for Dubas's not trading him goes away ? as I've already said.

No. I honestly still think the Leafs and Nylander will work something out before the deadline. The fact that nothing significant has happened or broken publicly makes me think that's still the most likely scenario.

However, in a hypothetical world where things really are contentious between the two sides then Dubas would have to acknowledge at least the possibility of Nylander signing an offer sheet while simultaneously telling the Leafs he doesn't want to play for them. Looking to trade him before that happens would be a way of getting out in front of a potential mess.

And, again, to me the issue about the return for Nylander isn't when they trade him, it's whether or not they trade him while there's still a realistic chance of him coming back. Keeping him unsigned for the whole season just increases the chance of a rift that lowers his value.

 

[Fanatic]

Mirtle On Benefits of Signing Willy Late

 

[cabber24]

Mirtle On Benefits of Signing Willy Late

Oooooooooooooooooooohhhhh... oh... the Athletic, don't subscribe to that.

 

[bustaheims]

Mirtle On Benefits of Signing Willy Late

Basically, the same discussion we've had here, but with more math and a focus on the shift in cap hit from year one to years 2+ instead of the difference in cap hit if the same contract was signed in the summer.

 

[cabber24]

Mirtle On Benefits of Signing Willy Late

Basically, the same discussion we've had here, but with more math and a focus on the shift in cap hit from year one to years 2+ instead of the difference in cap hit if the same contract was signed in the summer.

These Nylander "articles" are like a dog that eats its own crap, round and round the bs goes.

 

[ZBBM]

To the offer sheet thing: Are you saying the Leafs should trade him now to preemptively avoid having to respond to his possibly signing an offer sheet?  I mean, sure, if he at this point declares he doesn't want to be a Leaf, then the whole dynamic changes and my argument for Dubas's not trading him goes away ? as I've already said.

No. I honestly still think the Leafs and Nylander will work something out before the deadline. The fact that nothing significant has happened or broken publicly makes me think that's still the most likely scenario.

However, in a hypothetical world where things really are contentious between the two sides then Dubas would have to acknowledge at least the possibility of Nylander signing an offer sheet while simultaneously telling the Leafs he doesn't want to play for them. Looking to trade him before that happens would be a way of getting out in front of a potential mess.

And, again, to me the issue about the return for Nylander isn't when they trade him, it's whether or not they trade him while there's still a realistic chance of him coming back. Keeping him unsigned for the whole season just increases the chance of a rift that lowers his value.

I hope your first paragraph is right.

 

[ZBBM]

Mirtle On Benefits of Signing Willy Late

Basically, the same discussion we've had here, but with more math and a focus on the shift in cap hit from year one to years 2+ instead of the difference in cap hit if the same contract was signed in the summer.

I think we are rapidly getting to "late," if we haven't already.

 

[herman]

These Nylander "articles" are like a dog that eats its own crap, round and round the bs goes.

I don't quite understand this simile. How does a dog's coprophagic behaviour make it suddenly convert the material into bovine excrement? What sort of alchemy is this?

 

[Bender]

These Nylander "articles" are like a dog that eats its own crap, round and round the bs goes.

I don't quite understand this simile. How does a dog's coprophagic behaviour make it suddenly convert the material into bovine excrement? What sort of alchemy is this?

Sheldon? Is that you?  8)

 

[sickbeast]

Maybe when Dubas said "we can and we will", he knew he could use this loophole in the cap.

Things have been way too quiet.  Something is up IMO.  I have a feeling that Dubas has been planning to sign Nylander as late into the season as he can.  He may even be in kahoots with Nylander about this.  Which would explain the complete silence from both camps in terms of the media.  We have heard next to nothing.  I would think we would hear Nylander is disgruntled by now, or something.

 

[Joe S.]

Maybe when Dubas said "we can and we will", he knew he could use this loophole in the cap.

Things have been way too quiet.  Something is up IMO.  I have a feeling that Dubas has been planning to sign Nylander as late into the season as he can.  He may even be in kahoots with Nylander about this.  Which would explain the complete silence from both camps in terms of the media.  We have heard next to nothing.  I would think we would hear Nylander is disgruntled by now, or something.

No offence but that?s just nonesense. I can?t believe for a second that any player would agree to this kind of strategy.

 

[Zee]

Maybe when Dubas said "we can and we will", he knew he could use this loophole in the cap.

Things have been way too quiet.  Something is up IMO.  I have a feeling that Dubas has been planning to sign Nylander as late into the season as he can.  He may even be in kahoots with Nylander about this.  Which would explain the complete silence from both camps in terms of the media.  We have heard next to nothing.  I would think we would hear Nylander is disgruntled by now, or something.

There's been no official leaks from either of the camps but reports all around are saying both sides are frustrated and thought this would get done months ago

 

[Bullfrog]

Maybe when Dubas said "we can and we will", he knew he could use this loophole in the cap.

Things have been way too quiet.  Something is up IMO.  I have a feeling that Dubas has been planning to sign Nylander as late into the season as he can.  He may even be in kahoots with Nylander about this.  Which would explain the complete silence from both camps in terms of the media.  We have heard next to nothing.  I would think we would hear Nylander is disgruntled by now, or something.

No offence but that?s just nonesense. I can?t believe for a second that any player would agree to this kind of strategy.

Agreed. No way this is some strategy on Nylander's side. I'm positive his preference would have been to be playing on day one.

 

[Kin]

It does seem pretty unlikely that any player would risk the enmity of local fans and media(to say nothing of teammates and his coaching staff) for...what? I'm not even sure what the implication here is that Nylander would actually get.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

I was thinking, in the name of shrewd negotiation, that it might be good for Nylander to get himself to Toronto to put the pressure on.

Actually, that makes a lot of sense. Would certainly shift the pressure substantially.

 

[Kin]

I was thinking, in the name of shrewd negotiation, that it might be good for Nylander to get himself to Toronto to put the pressure on.

Actually, that makes a lot of sense. Would certainly shift the pressure substantially.

I don't get it. Who does that put pressure on and why?