Contracts for the Big-3

[sickbeast]

I think they should meet in neutral ground in Italy.  Dubas and Nylander can stroll around cinque terre with some cappuccino and cannolis, take in the sights and come to a deal.

It's 6325km from Toronto to Stockholm. Finding truly neutral ground would require a halfway point. After some quick searching I've discovered that the only fair place for a meeting would be Kangerlussuaq, Greenland.

Lucky enough for our purposes there is the Hotel Kangerlussuaq with fully stocked conference rooms:

http://www.hotelkangerlussuaq.gl/conferences/?lang=en

They also have a restaurant that does Muskox carpaccio. Frankly, I don't see how this plan could fail.

The rooms look nice. I agree. This may be the solution the Leafs and Nylander may be looking for.

I think the conference rooms looks like an old high school cafeteria.

The perfect place for a $50 million negotiation.

I think being in Europe right now is part of the whole charade right now with Nylander.  He is bluffing 100%.  He's in Europe to not-so-subtly warn Dubas that he is willing and ready to play in the KHL if Dubas tries to 8-ball him.  It's a tactic.  I see right through it, personally, and I suspect Dubas and Shanahan do also.  Nylander coming to Toronto would signify the loss of his imaginary "leverage".

Things have been quiet.  If Carolina had offered up a king's ransom I suspect Dubas would have taken it by now.  Carolina seemed genuinely interested and I would be surprised if what they did was not in good faith.  I have said this before, it makes zero sense for Carolina to offer too much for Nylander at this time.  Why give up assets so you can overpay for someone?

All signs are pointing toward this going down to the wire between Nylander and Dubas.  It reminds me of this:

Hopefully it all ends well. 

 

[Frank E]

What about a Putin-Obama meeting reminds you of the NHL contract negotiation between Dubas and Nylander?

 

[sickbeast]

What about a Putin-Obama meeting reminds you of the NHL contract negotiation between Dubas and Nylander?

That icy stare is just as I envision Nyander's agent and Dubas looking at one another at the end of the month.

 

[hockeyfan1]

https://theathletic.com/641082/2018/11/08/mirtle-how-much-cap-space-could-the-maple-leafs-really-save-by-signing-william-nylander-later/

The longer time it takes for Nylander to get signed, the better for the Leafs...up to a point:

Why create a situation where the AAV on contracts varies if deals are signed midseason?
I asked NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly, who was part of designing the CBA, and he said it was included to help prevent teams and players from having these protracted negotiations. Jacking up the Year 1 cap hit each day a deal isn?t done was one way they felt they could do that.
?It is intended to disincentivize clubs and players from using partial season contracts,? Daly said via email.
The odd part about where the Leafs are at with Nylander is that this rule is having the opposite impact.

 

[KadriFan]

Anyone know how many goals Nylander has scored without Matthews?

 

[sickbeast]

Anyone know how many goals Nylander has scored without Matthews?

I believe this has been discussed and his numbers were pretty bad without Matthews, IIRC.  I could be wrong.  But that's what I remember from the discussion.

 

[L K]

You save that with 5 players contracts and it adds up quickly. You have to save where you can with each and every contract. There's a reason the Leafs haven't budged on their number. There's no such a thing as it's just 400K in a cap world.

So you hurt your team's performance in the regular season and risk alienating your top young players five times and maybe you save 2.5% of the cap.

Where did I say that? I didn't. Simply responding to the "Its only 400k" comment. If you read where I said there's a reason the Leafs haven't budged you would understand. Obviously not.

He explained in the next post.

Don't talk logically to him. He loves to argue and will never stop until he thinks he's won. What he wins is beyond me and that's why I never bothered to or will respond to him here. He can read into anything he wants. Again, obviously it's too simple for him to follow. Cheers Bates.

It's some serious OCD and a good heaping of pig headedness, IMO.

How about we leave the diagnosing to the professionals bud.

 

[sickbeast]

You save that with 5 players contracts and it adds up quickly. You have to save where you can with each and every contract. There's a reason the Leafs haven't budged on their number. There's no such a thing as it's just 400K in a cap world.

So you hurt your team's performance in the regular season and risk alienating your top young players five times and maybe you save 2.5% of the cap.

Where did I say that? I didn't. Simply responding to the "Its only 400k" comment. If you read where I said there's a reason the Leafs haven't budged you would understand. Obviously not.

He explained in the next post.

Don't talk logically to him. He loves to argue and will never stop until he thinks he's won. What he wins is beyond me and that's why I never bothered to or will respond to him here. He can read into anything he wants. Again, obviously it's too simple for him to follow. Cheers Bates.

It's some serious OCD and a good heaping of pig headedness, IMO.

How about we leave the diagnosing to the professionals bud.

Even better would be to leave the trolling elsewhere.  Eliminate the problem at the source as opposed to crying about it when I point out the obvious.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Anyone know how many goals Nylander has scored without Matthews?

Last year when Matthews was out Nylander scored 3 goals in 20 games. I don't know the number when he was on another line tho.

 

[sickbeast]

The other thing people say is that Nylander's ~16 minutes of average ice time per game pales in comparison to players like Connor McDavid who play around 22 minutes per game.  They say Nylander would score more goals and points with more minutes on the ice.  That is a fair point, IMO.  However I do also believe that Auston Matthews inflates Nylander's point totals which counteracts the ice time thing somewhat.

 

[Zee]

The other thing people say is that Nylander's ~16 minutes of average ice time per game pales in comparison to players like Connor McDavid who play around 22 minutes per game.  They say Nylander would score more goals and points with more minutes on the ice.  That is a fair point, IMO.  However I do also believe that Auston Matthews inflates Nylander's point totals which counteracts the ice time thing somewhat.

I don't think there's a linear progression of minutes to points. If he scored 61 points playing 16 min/game doesn't automatically mean he'll score more if he plays more minutes. Maybe the more minutes come against tougher competition or maybe he's more fatigued playing more and won't put up higher numbers

 

[princedpw]

The other thing people say is that Nylander's ~16 minutes of average ice time per game pales in comparison to players like Connor McDavid who play around 22 minutes per game.  They say Nylander would score more goals and points with more minutes on the ice.  That is a fair point, IMO.  However I do also believe that Auston Matthews inflates Nylander's point totals which counteracts the ice time thing somewhat.

I don't think there's a linear progression of minutes to points. If he scored 61 points playing 16 min/game doesn't automatically mean he'll score more if he plays more minutes. Maybe the more minutes come against tougher competition or maybe he's more fatigued playing more and won't put up higher numbers

this was a thought i had a while ago too.

 

[Zee]

The other thing people say is that Nylander's ~16 minutes of average ice time per game pales in comparison to players like Connor McDavid who play around 22 minutes per game.  They say Nylander would score more goals and points with more minutes on the ice.  That is a fair point, IMO.  However I do also believe that Auston Matthews inflates Nylander's point totals which counteracts the ice time thing somewhat.

I don't think there's a linear progression of minutes to points. If he scored 61 points playing 16 min/game doesn't automatically mean he'll score more if he plays more minutes. Maybe the more minutes come against tougher competition or maybe he's more fatigued playing more and won't put up higher numbers

this was a thought i had a while ago too.

It would be nice to frickin find out if he was actually playing. Marner has already seemed to take another step this season and is on track for more than a point a game. Nylander's output might have increased too with the new lines and the ability for Babcock to play Matthews line against lesser competition cause of Tavares. Just sign a damn bridge and let's see this team firing on all cylinders

 

[Kin]

I've said this before but assuming Nylander was going to be put on a scoring role on basically any team he'd be on, his linemates really aren't exceptional in terms of their effect on his scoring. Even Matthews, at his best, was just over a point per game year.

My guess is he could have been in as good if not a better situation on at least half of the teams in the league.

 

[KadriFan]

Anyone know how many goals Nylander has scored without Matthews?

Last year when Matthews was out Nylander scored 3 goals in 20 games. I don't know the number when he was on another line tho.

Thanks.  With Matthews hurt I guess there's no urgency to sign him lol

 

[Mot the Barber]

Welp I dropped Nylander today. 

 

[Guilt Trip]

Apparently the Leafs will entertain trade proposals for Nylander. According to Kypreos the Leafs haven't offered Pastrnak money yet.

 

[Zee]

Apparently the Leafs will entertain trade proposals for Nylander. According to Kypreos the Leafs haven't offered Pastrnak money yet.

We all know Kypreos and Dubas are BFF so you have to believe everything Kyper says

 

[Guilt Trip]

Apparently the Leafs will entertain trade proposals for Nylander. According to Kypreos the Leafs haven't offered Pastrnak money yet.

We all know Kypreos and Dubas are BFF so you have to believe everything Kyper says

Kypreos wasn't the one saying anything about the trade stuff. That was Friedman. There was someone else who said the Leafs weren't offering over 6.5 yet beside Kypreos. Heard that before. Who knows. I guess we'll see in a few weeks.

 

[Zee]

Apparently the Leafs will entertain trade proposals for Nylander. According to Kypreos the Leafs haven't offered Pastrnak money yet.

We all know Kypreos and Dubas are BFF so you have to believe everything Kyper says

Kypreos wasn't the one saying anything about the trade stuff. That was Friedman. There was someone else who said the Leafs weren't offering over 6.5 yet beside Kypreos. Heard that before. Who knows. I guess we'll see in a few weeks.

Offering Pasta money won't do anything if he's looking for 8.5