Contracts for the Big-3
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Zee said:
Sure. But if the Leafs are showing little to no interest in moving up from their original offer than the Nylander camp probably isn't going to rush to move down from theirs.
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herman said:
In all seriousness, at this point all this tango-ing is just for public consumption (or, actually, is being generated by HNIC producers to fill air time with "insider" blather). Either they come together on numbers or they don't. It's all in the math right now.
Zee
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Yeah no kidding. If the Leafs were looking to trade Nylander, him and his agent would have known about it long before HNIC ever said anything to us. I don't see how "public pressure" would change anything in any event, Nylander has been in Sweden and we haven't seen or heard from him in monthsZanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
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there is talk of Pesce being held out of practice this AM, hope its not related to Nylander. If he can't come to the table, then let him sit.
Highlander said:
He was hurt in their last game.
This whole thing is very frustrating as a long time fan of the Leafs. I'm so hoping this isn't an indication of what will come
but I do remember that previously players earned their big contract typically after they had proven themselves - usually
in the later stages of a career. Of course I always thought that those teams were paying for previous performance and often
those players were regressing at that career stage. I do agree that the perfect marriage is paying the players while in their prime
rather than "retirement contracts" but then it's a far more difficult projection for most players.
I also remember when most teams starting having contract issues after they actually won something....
but I do remember that previously players earned their big contract typically after they had proven themselves - usually
in the later stages of a career. Of course I always thought that those teams were paying for previous performance and often
those players were regressing at that career stage. I do agree that the perfect marriage is paying the players while in their prime
rather than "retirement contracts" but then it's a far more difficult projection for most players.
I also remember when most teams starting having contract issues after they actually won something....
Kin
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If the Leafs wanted to pay Nylander a fair rate just based on what he'd already proven my hunch is he'd be signed to a short term bridge deal at 6 million or so per and back in the line-up.
The issue here is that the Leafs almost certainly want Nylander to sign a short term deal that artificially depresses his salary because of his RFA status or they want to sign him to a long term deal at his current market value that allows for no renegotiation as he, hopefully, gets better and is worth more. If what they're reported to be offering is true, it leaves virtually no room for Nylander's growth relative to his salary.
The issue here is that the Leafs almost certainly want Nylander to sign a short term deal that artificially depresses his salary because of his RFA status or they want to sign him to a long term deal at his current market value that allows for no renegotiation as he, hopefully, gets better and is worth more. If what they're reported to be offering is true, it leaves virtually no room for Nylander's growth relative to his salary.
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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/article-nylander-vs-the-man-a-salary-spat-worth-waging/
I liked the "ultrafit howard hughes" line.
I liked the "ultrafit howard hughes" line.
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Nik the Trik said:
I'd argue what Nylander has already proven isn't $6m worth. We all see and expect more from Nylander. Paying a player $6m for 20 goals and 60 points with good possession numbers is kinda, meh.
I?m not saying this with any kind of spite or any vitriol because of the contract negotiations. But am I the only one who remembers nylander over the last 2 seasons would would just be completely invisible for games on end and then explode for 5-6 games and then go back to being complete unnoticeable? I wanted to look up game by game logs but I just don?t feel like it right now.
My impression of him was a lot like mogilny; when he?s on he?s fantastic but when he?s not he?s just out there skating circles and not contributing.
What?s my point? I guess I just don?t see him as the 8 million superstar, he?s a talented complimentary piece, but Marner and Mathews seem to contribute more.
Anyway I?d love to have all three, don?t get me wrong.
Just some random thoughts.
My impression of him was a lot like mogilny; when he?s on he?s fantastic but when he?s not he?s just out there skating circles and not contributing.
What?s my point? I guess I just don?t see him as the 8 million superstar, he?s a talented complimentary piece, but Marner and Mathews seem to contribute more.
Anyway I?d love to have all three, don?t get me wrong.
Just some random thoughts.
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Joe S. said:
I think this may be one of those cases of a player who's fairly good at the quiet things not getting noticed for them. I mean, for starters the "scores in bunches" thing gets said about a lot of scoring wingers. People here certainly said it about Kessel in addition to Mogilny. I think it's sort of the nature of guys like that where if you're seen primarily as a scorer and you don't score, the things you do well despite not scoring tend to disappear in the memory because you're not doing your primary task.
With Nylander though, I think there's evidence that it's not particularly true. He's certainly not a defensive stalwart or anything but we've seen in this thread the evidence of his good rate of stick checks and zone entries, we're talked about his good possession numbers, I've certainly pointed out that he took more than 600 faceoffs last year, winning them at a decent clip(51.4%) and so on.
Obviously there's no way of knowing if he was only good in some games and bad in long stretches of others but I think the accumulated evidence probably suggests that he was still contributing even in games where he wasn't on the score sheet.
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Nik the Trik said:
Are you advocating Radulov as a good signing?
I'll take Yanni Gourde.
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