Coronavirus
- Thread starter Highlander
- Start date
Kin
Active member
I appreciate that this topic has devolved once again into a forum for the world's most gullible to mount a crusade against the scientific method but that's really no excuse for the rest of you to not know how to fix your quotes.
Or, even better, not quote and engage with that person.
Or, even better, not quote and engage with that person.
hockeyfan1
New member
Message to fans from Italian soccer player in light of Italy?s Coronavirus lockdown:
?Everything will be fine. Stay safe at home.?
[tweet]1237280795523534849[/tweet]
?Everything will be fine. Stay safe at home.?
[tweet]1237280795523534849[/tweet]
Highlander
Well-known member
My last post of this subject, but it is a fact. NAC is the first line of defence against Acetaminophen overdose, which is way more common than you would think:
Acetaminophen is the active ingredient in Tylenol. It is also found in many other over-the-counter medications and in prescription drugs. Acetaminophen is in Actifed, Alka-Seltzer Plus, Benadryl, Co-Gesic, Contac, Excedrin, Fioricet, Lortab, Midrin, Norco, Percocet, Robitussin, Sedapap, Sinutab, Sudafed, TheraFlu, Unisom PM Pain, Vick's Nyquil and DayQuil, Vicodin, and Zydone.
Acetaminophen in overdose can seriously damage the liver. If the damage is severe, a liver transplant may be necessary in order to save someone?s life.
The antidote to acetaminophen overdose is N-acetylcysteine (NAC). It is most effective when given within eight hours of ingesting acetaminophen. Indeed, NAC can prevent liver failure if given early enough. For this reason, it is absolutely necessary that acetaminophen poisoning be recognized, diagnosed, and treated as early as possible.
I guess I am a gullible guy who Quacks can confuse. Bye for now! Keep washing your hands.
Acetaminophen is the active ingredient in Tylenol. It is also found in many other over-the-counter medications and in prescription drugs. Acetaminophen is in Actifed, Alka-Seltzer Plus, Benadryl, Co-Gesic, Contac, Excedrin, Fioricet, Lortab, Midrin, Norco, Percocet, Robitussin, Sedapap, Sinutab, Sudafed, TheraFlu, Unisom PM Pain, Vick's Nyquil and DayQuil, Vicodin, and Zydone.
Acetaminophen in overdose can seriously damage the liver. If the damage is severe, a liver transplant may be necessary in order to save someone?s life.
The antidote to acetaminophen overdose is N-acetylcysteine (NAC). It is most effective when given within eight hours of ingesting acetaminophen. Indeed, NAC can prevent liver failure if given early enough. For this reason, it is absolutely necessary that acetaminophen poisoning be recognized, diagnosed, and treated as early as possible.
I guess I am a gullible guy who Quacks can confuse. Bye for now! Keep washing your hands.
hockeyfan1 said:
This is why you've gotta get the vitamin-fortified toilet paper. You never know!
Seriously, though, I started stocking up on supplies about a month ago. I didn't hoard, just bought an extra package of tp each time I went out, OTC drugs that we use regularly, canned/dried foods and drinks that we use anyway. Have been stocking the freezer with meats and veggies. My wife and I could probably get by for at least 2 months, maybe more, if it really hits the fan. Even managed to score some hand sanitizer a couple of weeks ago, as well as a couple packages of n95 masks from Lowes.
I don't necessarily believe it's the end of the world but things may get to the point where I don't want to have to go out and expose myself if the illness becomes widespread. The one big concern is that hospitals become overwhelmed and you have nowhere to go if you really need treatment. Here in the US hospitals regularly operate at over 90% capacity and I think I saw recently that they were at 96% because of the heavy flu season. Wouldn't take much of an outbreak to push the system over the edge.
As for all the other stuff about supplements and pharma...no real input to offer. One thing I did see recently is that there seems to be some decent evidence that vitamin D supplements can reduce ones chances of getting respiratory viruses. Not sure if that potential protection would work against something as virulent as the coronavirus but I've been on a vitamin D supplement for a few months and will continue taking it (would otherwise probably have stopped once the weather started warming up and I was getting out in the sun more often).
Quite frankly I think we should turn our focus to the real victims of this situation: sports reporters who have lost locker room access.
OldTimeHockey
Well-known member
Chris said:
Or the hospitals become overwhelmed by everyone with a cough running to the hospital and clogging up the system because of the mass hysteria caused by the media.
louisstamos
Active member
This is unfortunate...
https://www.freshdaily.ca/news/2020/03/cocaine-does-not-protect-against-coronavirus/
https://www.freshdaily.ca/news/2020/03/cocaine-does-not-protect-against-coronavirus/
Highlander
Well-known member
Exactly, they don't want you running to the hospital or clinics, they want you to stay and home and call them for advice if you believe you are symptomatic.
This Virus will get into a lot of old folks homes and run rampant on the elderly (like in Seattle). Won't help the hospitals with people with all types of conditions, if this Virus contaminates those institutions.
4 migrants where found in the back of a truck in N.E. England that drove there from Italy and all were found to have the virus. First thing they have done is whisk them down to the Princess Diana Hospital in Grimsby, where my wife's father is with pneumonia and other problems. Nice.
This Virus will get into a lot of old folks homes and run rampant on the elderly (like in Seattle). Won't help the hospitals with people with all types of conditions, if this Virus contaminates those institutions.
4 migrants where found in the back of a truck in N.E. England that drove there from Italy and all were found to have the virus. First thing they have done is whisk them down to the Princess Diana Hospital in Grimsby, where my wife's father is with pneumonia and other problems. Nice.
Highlander
Well-known member
Funny ;Dlouisstamos said:
OldTimeHockey said:
I'd rather people get tested and quarantine the few than not test and allow people to start spreading amongst the community. Then you will have a true crisis on your hands and where the system will be clogged and people will actually be dying. Just ask Italy.
*Edit: Also just to clarify, I agree people shouldn't "run" to hospitals and should call and see if they can get tested offsite, but I don't think a 3% kill rate is "mass hysteria caused by the media." This is entirely on individuals who should do their damn due diligence and call their GP and ask what they should do and if it makes sense to get tested, and hopefully the test is offsite from a hospital.
Highlander said:
Didn't know you could drive to N.E. from Italy.
Kidding aside, what's the alternative? Not test and allow more and more exposure at large? I do agree they probably shouldn't just rush them off to the nearest hospital if they can help it and do testing elsewhere. They should probably have roadside testing (like Germany) or some such as to avoid taking people to hospitals where they can cross contaminate, but are you seriously blaming people who are ill and getting tested for the problem rather than a really shitty rollout of testing by the government? The U.S. has horribly botched this thing so far, and the virus is going to be there whether you like it or not. If it's not in the hospital it goes to a school, then a mall, then a sporting event, then to work. And then what?
bustaheims
Well-known member
Bender said:
If that turns out to be the true mortality rate, then, no, it's not hysteria at all - not with how easy it can spread. The problem is we may not know the true mortality rate for some time - if ever - as a significant number of people who may have contracted the virus will/were never be tested. For a lot of the population, COVID-19 can present similar to a normal cold. There could be thousands of unreported cases out there, which would significantly drive down the mortality rate.
Highlander
Well-known member
Bender, I know you know about the extensive ferry system and no boarders, not blaming anyone but it seems to make sense that people like these 4 poor migrant people should have been taken to a holding centre instead of the main city hospital.Bender said:
bustaheims said:
There's lots we really don't know. There were reports coming out of Wuhan back in February that huge numbers of people had died. I saw videos with bodies laying in the streets. There were videos from hospitals with patients lined up through the corridors barely able to breath, with dead bodies on the floor, some in body bags. Reports that crematoriums were unable to keep up. Many think the true death toll in Wuhan was at least 10x what was reported, maybe even more than that. China shut down all those reports by "disappearing" people who were sending out that info. Of course, the true number of minor or asymptomatic cases might be much higher than we think.
I believe South Korea will give us the best info about the overall severity of the virus. They've done vast amounts of testing and presumably identified many more cases, covering a broad range of severity, compared to other countries. Right now their death rate looks very low but it will probably creep up since the disease course is often several weeks. They've identified 7500 case but only about 250 are listed as "recovered" versus 58 deaths. We'll see where that goes.
This is also highly dependant on public policy and social custom and a number of variables. How else do you explain Italy's high rate and Korea's low one? I don't think you can use one country in isolation in analysing this.Chris said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/asiatimes.com/2020/03/why-are-koreas-covid-19-death-rates-so-low/