David Clarkson - Signs with Maple Leafs

[Optimus Reimer]

who is this guy? Never heard of him before :-\  worth losing Grabo over? Possibly Bozak?

I'm not impressed with the length. Way too long and I'm still not sure it was worth losing Grabbo.

I agree, the contract is too long, but we do not know what other GMs were offering Clarkson, so it could be that Nonis outbid the other GMs competing for Clarkson.  As well, Clarkson does fit Carlyle's style of play, moreso than Grabs and Clarkson will bring tangibles to the team that will help the team in the playoffs.

 

[caver]

It's all about perspective.

 

[Kin]

Who wasn't anywhere near an allstar with us, if memory serves?  But if you want to give back Gardiner, hey, gotcha.

No, good point. Dave Nonis hasn't made any moves in the last few weeks that look really really great two years from now.

 

[mr grieves]

Nonis so far hasn't really made a deal that seems like a slam-dunk winner, unlike some of Burke's moves. 

So when you refer to the deals of Burkes that looked like slam-dunk winners do you mean like the Komisarek signing that was loved at the time or the Giguere and Phaneuf trades that have proven to be so dynamite?

I can't really think of one that looked like a slam dunk, but other than the Komi deal none that looked terrible. These don't quite look that bad, but my thought on Clarkson is about the same as Connolly: well, it just might work, and, if it doesn't, at least it's only 2 years and relatively small money...

But of the deals that made Burke a GM... MacArthur for $1.1m and then $3.25m come to mind. McClement at $1.5. Yes, the Phaneuf trade, the Franson trade, the Lupul/Gardiner trade. Even the Kessel trade's given them an elite scorer for his prime, about what they were likely to get with the pick (and missing out on Hamilton was compensated for by getting Gardiner). In all those cases, there we two reasonable sides to the transaction, but they all turned out serving the team pretty well.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

Joffrey Lupul ‏@RealJLupul 8m
First look at a David Clarkson Leafs Jersey! pic.twitter.com/1DLJaLsGs7

 

[mr grieves]

I'm in agreement that the term is too long and the coin is too much.  But in trying to set that aside, Clarkson is the type of player the Leafs desperately needed and now they have it.

I suspect Tampa Bay fans were telling themselves this when they got Ryan Malone.

 

[Kin]

But of the deals that made Burke a GM... MacArthur for $1.1m and then $3.25m come to mind. McClement at $1.5. Yes, the Phaneuf trade, the Franson trade, the Lupul/Gardiner trade. Even the Kessel trade's given them an elite scorer for his prime, about what they were likely to get with the pick (and missing out on Hamilton was compensated for by getting Gardiner). In all those cases, there we two reasonable sides to the transaction, but they all turned out serving the team pretty well.

Those ones absolutely did(well, I'd quibble re: Phaneuf and Kessel but whatever). I'm pretty high on the Bolland/Bernier moves though so I'm not going to bury Nonis because none of his deals look really good before they step foot on the ice.

 

[mr grieves]

who is this guy? Never heard of him before :-\  worth losing Grabo over? Possibly Bozak?

I'm not impressed with the length. Way too long and I'm still not sure it was worth losing Grabbo.

I agree, the contract is too long, but we do not know what other GMs were offering Clarkson, so it could be that Nonis outbid the other GMs competing for Clarkson.  As well, Clarkson does fit Carlyle's style of play, moreso than Grabs and Clarkson will bring tangibles to the team that will help the team in the playoffs.

Yeah, we all know teams that sign UFAs outbid all the other GMs to do it. That's an explanation of how guys get overpaid, not a justification of a team doing it.

 

[ZBBM]

Who wasn't anywhere near an allstar with us, if memory serves?  But if you want to give back Gardiner, hey, gotcha.

No, good point. Dave Nonis hasn't made any moves in the last few weeks that look really really great two years from now.

Yeah, and I left Lupul out of it to go easy on you.

 

[Kin]

Yeah, and I left Lupul out of it to go easy on you.

True. He made the All-Played For Two Weeks This Season Team, right?

 

[Zee]

But of the deals that made Burke a GM... MacArthur for $1.1m and then $3.25m come to mind. McClement at $1.5. Yes, the Phaneuf trade, the Franson trade, the Lupul/Gardiner trade. Even the Kessel trade's given them an elite scorer for his prime, about what they were likely to get with the pick (and missing out on Hamilton was compensated for by getting Gardiner). In all those cases, there we two reasonable sides to the transaction, but they all turned out serving the team pretty well.

Those ones absolutely did(well, I'd quibble re: Phaneuf and Kessel but whatever). I'm pretty high on the Bolland/Bernier moves though so I'm not going to bury Nonis because none of his deals look really good before they step foot on the ice.

If the Jays have taught us anything it's that off season moves don't mean anything until you play the games.  We won't know how Nonis's moves are until late into next season.

 

[Kin]

Yeah, we all know teams that sign UFAs outbid all the other GMs to do it. That's an explanation of how guys get overpaid, not a justification of a team doing it.

How were Clarkson's possession numbers this year?

 

[mr grieves]

But of the deals that made Burke a GM... MacArthur for $1.1m and then $3.25m come to mind. McClement at $1.5. Yes, the Phaneuf trade, the Franson trade, the Lupul/Gardiner trade. Even the Kessel trade's given them an elite scorer for his prime, about what they were likely to get with the pick (and missing out on Hamilton was compensated for by getting Gardiner). In all those cases, there we two reasonable sides to the transaction, but they all turned out serving the team pretty well.

Those ones absolutely did(well, I'd quibble re: Phaneuf and Kessel but whatever). I'm pretty high on the Bolland/Bernier moves though so I'm not going to bury Nonis because none of his deals look really good before they step foot on the ice.

Those trades fall into the range of what I'm thinking of when I think of liking Burke. They seem promising.

These signings are as bad as any Burke's made though. There's nothing like the good value UFAs Burke found -- just contracts like Komi's and Connolly's to point to. That's not good.

 

[ZBBM]

Yeah, and I left Lupul out of it to go easy on you.

True. He made the All-Played For Two Weeks This Season Team, right?

"So far," Nik.  You know, the wording of my original post?  It actually meant something, believe it or not.  Wasn't claiming anything more than that.  So your Nostradamus gambit is, in point of fact, irrelevant.

 

[drummond]

I like Clarkson, but that deal is TERRIBLE, too much money for too long. He is a prime candidate for buyout in 2018 unless the cap goes dramatically up.

 

[mr grieves]

Yeah, we all know teams that sign UFAs outbid all the other GMs to do it. That's an explanation of how guys get overpaid, not a justification of a team doing it.

How were Clarkson's possession numbers this year?

Ha. They were very good. I like that he shoots a lot of pucks on other teams' nets.

Never said I didn't like Clarkson under any circumstances. Just that the UFA ones would be terrible. And here we are, and they are.

 

[Kin]

"So far," Nik.  You know, the wording of my original post?  It actually meant something, believe it or not.  Wasn't claiming anything more than that.  So your Nostradamus gambit is, in point of fact, irrelevant.

Yes, and my point is that the ones you claim "looked like slam-dunk winners" didn't really look that way at the time and the ones that did ended up not really working out that way.

 

[Kin]

Ha. They were very good. I like that he shoots a lot of pucks on other team's nets.

I don't know, I just, I assume given the stock that you seem to put in them that it might have come up at some point. I suppose, though, that would mean actually letting your opinions be dictated by the statistics you think are important as opposed to the other way around.

 

[ZBBM]

"So far," Nik.  You know, the wording of my original post?  It actually meant something, believe it or not.  Wasn't claiming anything more than that.  So your Nostradamus gambit is, in point of fact, irrelevant.

Yes, and my point is that the ones you claim "looked like slam-dunk winners" didn't really look that way at the time and the ones that did ended up not really working out that way.

And my point is that the one I mentioned is.  There you have it: an irreconcilable difference of opinion.  I'm afraid our marriage is over.

 

[Kin]

And my point is that the one I mentioned is.  There you have it: an irreconcilable difference of opinion.  I'm afraid our marriage is over.

I'm getting the Leafs fandom in the settlement.