David Clarkson - Signs with Maple Leafs

[Kin]

Yeah, I don't disagree with that, but he's less overpriced for us. And 5.25 seems manageable for 25 goals and some toughness, assuming he hits those lofty goals.

Yeah, and if the Cap soars in the next four years, which I suspect it might, I won't hate the cap hit at all. Still, there's a part of me that would have greatly preferred someone like Iginla.

 

[Bullfrog]

I think I'll really like his game, but man that still seems like a lot of dough for this guy.

He was apparently quite coveted, so I'll reserve judgement until the end of his first shift.

That's where I'm at on this deal. Seems like quite a commitment to him.

 

[Bill_Berg]

Yeah, I don't disagree with that, but he's less overpriced for us. And 5.25 seems manageable for 25 goals and some toughness, assuming he hits those lofty goals.

Yeah, and if the Cap soars in the next four years, which I suspect it might, I won't hate the cap hit at all. Still, there's a part of me that would have greatly preferred someone like Iginla.

I'm also assuming the cap rises considerably. I'm interested to see what Iginla signs for, might be just as much, or more, of a home run swing though.

 

[Joe S.]

Nonis so far hasn't really made a deal that seems like a slam-dunk winner, unlike some of Burke's moves. 

So when you refer to the deals of Burkes that looked like slam-dunk winners do you mean like the Komisarek signing that was loved at the time or the Giguere and Phaneuf trades that have proven to be so dynamite?

No, the "some" means the "some" I had in mind, you know, like the Beauchemin deal.

2013 2nd All-Star team Beauchemin?

Would you trade Lupul and Gardiner for Beauchemin?

 

[pmrules]

I'll admit, I don't know much about him. 

Sounds like a Darcy Tucker'ish or a Gary Robert's mold? 

A bit too long in term but dollars were, unfortunately, approx market value.

 

[mr grieves]

Wouldn't use this as a judge of anything on UFA day. 29 other teams didn't want Clarkson at that price or term.

So nobody else wanted Clarkson at that price or term because....they didn't also sign him? Seriously, what in the world is the basis for that?

Well, I don't know how long the list of suitors for Clarkson was. We know it was more than just the Leafs, and we're told he was "highly sought after." At least several teams walked away from the opportunity to sign him for 7 years & $35M+.

 

[maplesyrup]

Just watching the PC. He's very well spoken and I like his attitude. I can see him quickly being my favorite Leaf along with Lupul.

 

[princedpw]

Maybe the hometown discount made it more of a slow and steady move in Nonis' mind. I assume it's the length that has you at odds?

No, well, not just that. Whatever discount Clarkson gave the Leafs I still think that his status as perhaps the most desirable UFA has inflated his value to the point that he's still overpriced.

Yeah, I don't disagree with that, but he's less overpriced for us. And 5.25 seems manageable for 25 goals and some toughness, assuming he hits those lofty goals.

That is the worry.  I wouldn't worry if I paid a UFA $5 for 25 goals a year for the next 7 years.  Except Clarkson has only had more than 17 goals once.

It seems you'd have just as much luck getting 25 goals per year by signing Maccarthur for $2 million/year less than Clarkson and playing Mac with Kadri.

 

[Bill_Berg]

Nonis so far hasn't really made a deal that seems like a slam-dunk winner, unlike some of Burke's moves. 

So when you refer to the deals of Burkes that looked like slam-dunk winners do you mean like the Komisarek signing that was loved at the time or the Giguere and Phaneuf trades that have proven to be so dynamite?

No, the "some" means the "some" I had in mind, you know, like the Beauchemin deal.

2013 2nd All-Star team Beauchemin?

Would you trade Lupul and Gardiner for Beauchemin?

Today's Lupul and Gardiner or the ones from 2 years ago? And I see a difference between winning a trade and a slam dunk win. Slam dunk wins are Gilmour for Leeman. Not All-Stars for bluechip prospects and guys that might be All-Stars if they can stay healthy.

 

[Tigger]

Wouldn't use this as a judge of anything on UFA day. 29 other teams didn't want Clarkson at that price or term.

So nobody else wanted Clarkson at that price or term because....they didn't also sign him? Seriously, what in the world is the basis for that?

Well, I don't know how long the list of suitors for Clarkson was. We know it was more than just the Leafs, and we're told he was "highly sought after." At least several teams walked away from the opportunity to sign him for 7 years & $35M+.

If Lebrun is correct it sounds like he left dough on the table with other teams for TO.

 

[Corn Flake]

Sounds like a Darcy Tucker'ish or a Gary Robert's mold? 

Yes.. Tucker with 25 lbs more weight and 2-3" in height, less out of control but just as intense. Clarkson has better hands than Gary Roberts by a wide margin. I'm guessing he's a bit less high maintenance off the ice than both of those guys, although I'm not sure about that for obvious reasons.

 

[Kin]

At least several teams walked away from the opportunity to sign him for 7 years & $35M+.

No, we don't know that.

 

[princedpw]

Yeah, I don't disagree with that, but he's less overpriced for us. And 5.25 seems manageable for 25 goals and some toughness, assuming he hits those lofty goals.

Yeah, and if the Cap soars in the next four years, which I suspect it might, I won't hate the cap hit at all.

I am reduced to hoping for this.  If the cap goes back to $70 million next year and $80 million a few years after that, I'll be ok.

 

[Joe S.]

This contract is the first move of his I don't feel that way about. This strikes me as a bit of a swing for the fence. My gut reaction isn't to love that sort of thing. Clarkson might be a good player and he might fit in well but I don't like the downside here. This is the first move of Nonis' that I can say that about.

The feeling I get is that Nonis is kind of mirroring what Quinn did after that first loss to the devils, trying to build a stronger team to knock off the devils.

I think he saw what this team is truly made of in those 7 games against the Bruins, and now he's trying to build a team to compete with them.

 

[Kin]

I am reduced to hoping for this.  If the cap goes back to $70 million next year and $80 million a few years after that, I'll be ok.

Or you could hope that Clarkson plays really well and is worth the cap hit.

 

[Joe S.]

Nonis so far hasn't really made a deal that seems like a slam-dunk winner, unlike some of Burke's moves. 

So when you refer to the deals of Burkes that looked like slam-dunk winners do you mean like the Komisarek signing that was loved at the time or the Giguere and Phaneuf trades that have proven to be so dynamite?

No, the "some" means the "some" I had in mind, you know, like the Beauchemin deal.

2013 2nd All-Star team Beauchemin?

Would you trade Lupul and Gardiner for Beauchemin?

Today's Lupul and Gardiner or the ones from 2 years ago? And I see a difference between winning a trade and a slam dunk win. Slam dunk wins are Gilmour for Leeman. Not All-Stars for bluechip prospects and guys that might be All-Stars if they can stay healthy.

Either/or... honestly, I don't understand the point you're trying to make. It's a good trade that worked out for both teams.

 

[Bill_Berg]

Maybe the hometown discount made it more of a slow and steady move in Nonis' mind. I assume it's the length that has you at odds?

No, well, not just that. Whatever discount Clarkson gave the Leafs I still think that his status as perhaps the most desirable UFA has inflated his value to the point that he's still overpriced.

Yeah, I don't disagree with that, but he's less overpriced for us. And 5.25 seems manageable for 25 goals and some toughness, assuming he hits those lofty goals.

That is the worry.  I wouldn't worry if I paid a UFA $5 for 25 goals a year for the next 7 years.  Except Clarkson has only had more than 17 goals once.

It seems you'd have just as much luck getting 25 goals per year by signing Maccarthur for $2 million/year less than Clarkson and playing Mac with Kadri.

And the toughness, which Mac has little to none of. I'm also willing to count last year's 15 as a 25 goal season.

 

[Bill_Berg]

Nonis so far hasn't really made a deal that seems like a slam-dunk winner, unlike some of Burke's moves. 

So when you refer to the deals of Burkes that looked like slam-dunk winners do you mean like the Komisarek signing that was loved at the time or the Giguere and Phaneuf trades that have proven to be so dynamite?

No, the "some" means the "some" I had in mind, you know, like the Beauchemin deal.

2013 2nd All-Star team Beauchemin?

Would you trade Lupul and Gardiner for Beauchemin?

Today's Lupul and Gardiner or the ones from 2 years ago? And I see a difference between winning a trade and a slam dunk win. Slam dunk wins are Gilmour for Leeman. Not All-Stars for bluechip prospects and guys that might be All-Stars if they can stay healthy.

Either/or... honestly, I don't understand the point you're trying to make. It's a good trade that worked out for both teams.

That it's a good trade that worked out for both teams, not a slam-dunk win for Nonis.

Edit: I meant Burke.

 

[Joe S.]

That it's a good trade that worked out for both teams, not a slam-dunk win for Nonis.

Ok - fair enough - you're right.

 

[Bill_Berg]

That it's a good trade that worked out for both teams, not a slam-dunk win for Nonis.

Ok - fair enough - you're right.

Also, I wouldn't take it back.