Dermott Re-Signs

[Bender]

As Burkie would say a "soft skill" guy. Not overly impressed with anything he does and at any higher of cap hit I would pass.

Group 1:
Muzzin/Rielly/Brodie

Group 2:
Holl/Lehtonen/Dermott/Sandin/Bogosian

Of Group 2 I would give Bogosian a roster spot because of the different style of play he brings compared to the rest of the group. The rest of group 2 will have to battle to distinguish themselves from the rest.

I am just glad Marinicin isn't our depth guy anymore.

You wouldn't retain a 23 y.o. developing dman for anything more than his minimum q.o.? Really?

 

[Phileas Fogg]

It seems borderline unfair to the player.

I would say though that this is a situation where not having cap space almost certainly prevented the Leafs from signing a longer term thing that could have had real rewards for the Club if Dermott develops into more of a top 4 guy.

Yeah, I think that's where I'm coming from. This deal for Dermott seems more borne out of cap compliance than it does anything else; it's hard to look at the 2 yr deal Engvall at the same age was given last year on a relatively short sample, and feel good about how Dermott got forced into a "show me" deal.

Maybe I'm just showing a bit of bias for dermott. He seems like a good kid.

 

[Highlander]

It seems borderline unfair to the player.

I would say though that this is a situation where not having cap space almost certainly prevented the Leafs from signing a longer term thing that could have had real rewards for the Club if Dermott develops into more of a top 4 guy.

Yeah, I think that's where I'm coming from. This deal for Dermott seems more borne out of cap compliance than it does anything else; it's hard to look at the 2 yr deal Engvall at the same age was given last year on a relatively short sample, and feel good about how Dermott got forced into a "show me" deal.

Maybe I'm just showing a bit of bias for dermott. He seems like a good kid.

You are and he is a nice kid. He's got a lot of time to cash in, in his career.

 

[herman]

Slightly different market situation when Engvall signed vs Dermott. However, the contract difference is now why Engvall likely gets relegated as a waiver-exempt loan, while Dermott will be involved in the top-7 defensemen.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/chrisfariato/status/1319738170993528833
The curiosity with overachieving 3rd pair defenders with good underlying numbers is always going to be whether they can make the shift to top-4. Is Dermott a Nate Schmidt or Colin Miller?

 

[Guilt Trip]

That?s pretty slick how they rounded out the roster while staying under the cap.  Colour me impressed

I agree. If they had of dumped Kerfoot instead of Johnsson I'd be really happy, but maybe Anderson will be a good fit.

So are you just happy then? I'm glad they kept Kerfoot over AJ. I think he has more upside and is a lot better defensively. Good signing though with Dermott. Would rather have hom as a 7th then Marincin.

 

[ZBBM]

I can never remember what "wins over replacement" (that's what WAR is, right?) measures, but what I glean from this table is Rielly is the third most terrible defenseman in the league.  8)

 

[Deebo]

That?s pretty slick how they rounded out the roster while staying under the cap.  Colour me impressed

I agree. If they had of dumped Kerfoot instead of Johnsson I'd be really happy, but maybe Anderson will be a good fit.

So are you just happy then? I'm glad they kept Kerfoot over AJ. I think he has more upside and is a lot better defensively. Good signing though with Dermott. Would rather have hom as a 7th then Marincin.

I'd have kept Kerfoot because he can play centre.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/evolvinghockey/status/1319792613126451201

 

[caver]

another example of the bloody salary cap... the discussion about paycheques.... 

 

[herman]

I can never remember what "wins over replacement" (that's what WAR is, right?) measures, but what I glean from this table is Rielly is the third most terrible defenseman in the league.  8)

Wins Above Replacement. Composite score of weighted stats as they pertain to contributions to wins.

Rielly had a rough year by his standards; starting the year quite injured and playing high leverage situations having to babysit Barrie or Ceci will do that.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I still have hope that Dermott can transition into a #3 or 4 Defensemen. To me this is a good signing. As mentioned above, perhaps less than expected.

 

[dappleganger]

That?s pretty slick how they rounded out the roster while staying under the cap.  Colour me impressed

I agree. If they had of dumped Kerfoot instead of Johnsson I'd be really happy, but maybe Anderson will be a good fit.

So are you just happy then? I'm glad they kept Kerfoot over AJ. I think he has more upside and is a lot better defensively. Good signing though with Dermott. Would rather have hom as a 7th then Marincin.

I'd have kept Kerfoot because he can play centre.

Can he though? Dude won 32.6% of his draws in the playoffs.

 

[Frank E]

Can't complain about the number, so I'll just complain about the term.

A year too short for my liking, but it looks as though he doesn't have any arbitration rights next off-season.

 

[Joe S.]

Can't complain about the number, so I'll just complain about the term.

A year too short for my liking, but it looks as though he doesn't have any arbitration rights next off-season.

Besides that this leaves room for Getzlaf now.

 

[Frank E]

Can't complain about the number, so I'll just complain about the term.

A year too short for my liking, but it looks as though he doesn't have any arbitration rights next off-season.

Besides that this leaves room for Getzlaf now.

You're pickin up what I'm puttin down, my man.

 

[Joe S.]

I?m just trying to re-establish my with-it-ness.

 

[Kin]

Yeah, I think that's where I'm coming from. This deal for Dermott seems more borne out of cap compliance than it does anything else; it's hard to look at the 2 yr deal Engvall at the same age was given last year on a relatively short sample, and feel good about how Dermott got forced into a "show me" deal.

Sure but I think people need to come around on the fact that this is what a hard cap is meant to do. Even if people think the Marner or Matthews or Nylander contracts are overpayments the cap isn't designed to only be difficult to manage if you slightly overpay stars. Any good team that pays their better players some semblance of market value will have to make moves that are unmistakably going to be seen as "bad hockey moves" in order to be cap compliant.

NFL fans know that teams have to cut good, in their prime players and replace them with cheap younger alternatives through no fault of their own. The way the cap stagnated this year just accelerated that process for some teams like the Leafs who haven't had the playoff success that, to date, we would associate with having cap problems.

 

[Deebo]

That?s pretty slick how they rounded out the roster while staying under the cap.  Colour me impressed

I agree. If they had of dumped Kerfoot instead of Johnsson I'd be really happy, but maybe Anderson will be a good fit.

So are you just happy then? I'm glad they kept Kerfoot over AJ. I think he has more upside and is a lot better defensively. Good signing though with Dermott. Would rather have hom as a 7th then Marincin.

I'd have kept Kerfoot because he can play centre.

Can he though? Dude won 32.6% of his draws in the playoffs.

Yes?

He is close to 50% in his carreer (1300+ face offs), why would you use a sample of 45 faceoffs?
Johnsson has taken under 30 total faceoffs in his carreer.

Besidess, there is more to centre than face offs.

 

[ZBBM]

I can never remember what "wins over replacement" (that's what WAR is, right?) measures, but what I glean from this table is Rielly is the third most terrible defenseman in the league.  8)

Wins Above Replacement. Composite score of weighted stats as they pertain to contributions to wins.

Rielly had a rough year by his standards; starting the year quite injured and playing high leverage situations having to babysit Barrie or Ceci will do that.

Thanks herman ? you know this stuff backwards and forwards, if you could only have 3 advanced stats to show a player's (let's limit it to skaters) value what would they be?