Federal Election 2019
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Kin
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Bates said:
Sure, and the Conservatives won some seats in what some people consider the GTA or what have you. Still, in actual cities they can't seem to win seats. Considering real estate prices in those places, it can't be attributed to typical economic patterns of voters either.
Hobbes
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Nik said:
I tend to think it's because fiscal conservatism and social conservatism have tended to go hand in hand and over the years the electorate has shifted from being 80% WASP looking back fondly on the "good ol' days" of white privilege while at the same time the NDP rose on the fiscal liberalism side of things allowing the Liberal party to morph into a middle-of-the-road fiscal platform while retaining a leftist social position.
The C/PC side has lagged terribly on women's rights, racial issues, LGBTQ issues, etc and that doesn't play well to our increasingly diverse and accepting National culture.
OldTimeHockey
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The Conservatives dropping the ball on the last election or the Conservatives continuing to drop the ball has little to do with the investigation into Morneau, the Liberals and WE.
I generally lean Conservative but I have not been impressed by the Conservatives decisions to have their leaders be Scheer or for that matter, Doug Ford. The Conservative shortcomings doesn't mean we should be okay with the Liberal's back door dealings. Just because all the parties do it, doesn't mean it should be ok
I generally lean Conservative but I have not been impressed by the Conservatives decisions to have their leaders be Scheer or for that matter, Doug Ford. The Conservative shortcomings doesn't mean we should be okay with the Liberal's back door dealings. Just because all the parties do it, doesn't mean it should be ok
Kin
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OldTimeHockey said:
But I think that's why if the messaging coming out of this was "This is why we need stricter ethical controls in Parliament" or "This is why we need to eliminate even the appearance of conflict in the relationships between money and power" there would be more of an impact then just "This is why the Liberals are bad and Trudeau/Morneau should resign". Especially right now when most people are generally positive on the job those two are doing during a very difficult time.
It's not so much about being ok with it, I'd burn the entire system down if it were up to me, but if it's not a point of demarcation between the parties it's not going to have much punch politically.
Phileas Fogg
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Hmm, a party and leader that preaches against privilege while seemingly immune from the same ethical standards, vs a party that's internally unaligned and incompetent.
Kang or Kodos indeed.
Kang or Kodos indeed.
Thoughts on O'Toole? He seems popular in the West but those aren't exactly the votes the CPC needs to get right now are they? MacKay seemed like a guy who could get more Ontarians to vote that way. I'm not super psyched that he seems aligned with the whole Post Millennial/True North/Rebel crowed.
Kin
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He seems just like another example of the Conservatives thinking that the problem isn't that their policies are unpopular but that their policies just need a different packaging. I get why they prefer someone brash and loud to take on Trudeau after Scheer's failure and Mackay seeming like old, bland news but I still don't see a fresh take on actual policy or engaging people's actual problems with modern conservatism. If anything "Take Canada Back" seems like textbook modern Conservatism's obsession with casting some citizens as "real Canadians" and others as somehow being imposters or interlopers.
And I think everything is great we got an actor /Nik said:
Drama teacher as a PM and now a journalist running the countries finances. In the real word these people would be fired under code of conduct . And everyone involved with WE should be facing embezzlement charges.
People wake up they stole our money
Nik said:
Even so that's not much of a defense for Chrystia Freeland, who is more than a journalist. Same kind of populist nonsense that people try to pin on AOC for being "just a bartender" instead of being a university graduate of International Relations & Economics.
Bender said:
The attacks on Freeland are especially interesting since they're happening at a time when Ford has on numerous occasions talked about how great she is. He's even been pretty friendly with Trudeau during the whole pandemic. Obviously there's political reasons for him wanting to not attack the Feds when the province will need their assistance but I wonder if that language changes the closer we get to a potential election.
Kin
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Bender said:
Well, yeah, I don't like it either but like I'm saying it's the result of not wanting to run on the principles they have an an unwillingness to mitigate their principles to better adapt to the political landscape. Trying to whip up that sort of resentment and division is a play from a last resort playbook and it's a pretty good sign of people willing to put personal power and agendas over a common good.
