Game 13 - Leafs @ Bluejackets - Thursday November 3rd, 2011 - 19:00 EST - 4-1 W
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Kin
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Bullfrog said:
I think the issue with overworking him isn't what you allude to here where the concern is that he'll get overworked and be less effective for the rest of the season but the concern is that he'll be less effective specifically tonight against Columbus. You could probably argue that, as a back-up, Gus is more susceptible to that than a guy who's used to playing 7-8 games in a row.
But I think it's a reasonable decision. The team is playing well with Gus in front of them and this is a game they really should win so may as well ride the hot hand.
Pucken Chronic
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Boston Leaf said:
Or play well even. Just saying he's due to do something other than give up three goals. Here's hoping for the under. Leafs can't outscore the opposition every freaken night. It'd be nice to see Monster win one for the team instead of the team having to get 4+ goals every night. I'd rather have Scrivens in for sure.
My prediction for tonight Leafs 3 Bluejackets 2.
Kin
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lc9 said:
Well, I said the hot hand, not the hot streak, and that just refers to keeping the line-up as is while the team is playing well and winning most of their games.
Like I said, in yesterday's GDT, Reimer was giving up 3 or more goals in the majority of his starts too so I'm more inclined to concern myself with the results right now as opposed to fretting over the individual performances.
Zee
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Saint Nik said:
Reimer gave up 3 or more goals in three of his 5 starts. Gustavsson has given up 3 or more in 5 of his 6 starts and 3 in relief of Reimer in the Montreal game, so 6 games in total out of 7 played. THAT'S a majority of starts.
It's actually easier to pinpoint the game where he DIDN'T give up 3 goals, the 4-2 win over the Rangers is the only one.
Kin
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Zee said:
Ooh, so close. But the reality is that Reimer has had 6 starts, not 5. He only finished five, sure, but he got six starts. And in those five he gave up 3 goals to Colorado, 5 to Ottawa and 3 to Winnipeg. The only games he gave up fewer than 3 goals in were the opener against Montreal and Calgary.
He also gave up one goal in one period against the Habs when he got hurt. So, again, in the majority of games where Reimer's played the whole way through, he's given up 3 or more goals.
Zee said:
Sure, but that's where this pretty arbitrary standard breaks down. He stopped 34 shots against Pittsburgh and was named the game's first star but we should count that as a poor start?
crazyperfectdevil
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maybe if the leafs had of lost last night they would have come in and given scrivens a shot ..but not after the win..same reason why schenn will be in instead of franson
Zee
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Saint Nik said:
You can't look at Reimer's start against the Habs, like you said he was injured, who knows how many goals he would / wouldn't have given up in that game.
All I'm saying is, Gustavsson has had 2 good to very good games out of 7. He is far too shaky for my liking and constantly giving up 3 goals a game won't get the job done in the long run. He's had more playing time than Reimer now and should be getting in a groove as they say, but I don't see it with him.
Kin
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Zee said:
Fine, discount it. Then Reimer's still given up three or more goals in three of the five starts that he did manage to finish.
Which, because I'm not overly inclined to bury Reimer either, leads me to believe that there's probably something systemic that's leading to a high GAA even though the team is playing well and winning.
Zee said:
And all I'm saying is that they're 3-1-0 in Gus' last four starts with Gus playing pretty well in that stretch.
Nik, this is not an argurment of Monster and Reimer. Its an argument of putting the best goalie on the ice tonight. Reimer is unavailable, therefore no need to evaluate him. Gus has been awful in his appearances. Scrivens got the cal up the call up because he is capable of a shot in the NHL. The monster has shown, for 2 plus years now, that he isn't very good.
Zee
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lc9 said:
That's all i'm trying to say here, Scrivens should play tonight. Gustavsson has been "good enough" to win, but nothing spectacular that warrants back to back starts. I understand not changing a winning lineup, but when your goalie isn't on fire, there's no reason to go back to the guy. They're not even on a streak, they've won 1 game in a row.
maplesyrup
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lc9 said:
If I may, I agree we haven't seen much from Gus at all until this year. With that said, I think this year's body of work shows him to be a capable NHL back-up. He's been spectacular at times and just lost at other times. I reckon there are bunch of back-ups who show the same kind of thing though.
lc9 said:
Scrivens got the call up because they needed a backup goalie. He has the best stats out of the goalies in the Leafs system, so the put him in as a backup. There is nothing that says he will be a capable NHL goaltender. Gus has been awful in some of his appearances and good in others. No need to through a unknown at a poor team, when you have a guy that has NHL experience. What happens if you put the rookie in and he gets shelled. I'm pretty sure Scrivens knows the Blue Jackets record. What happens to his confidence after that?
Kin
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lc9 said:
If people are going to hold fast to their notions of "3 goals = bad game by the goalie" then it's worth pointing out that the same standard doesn't make Reimer look terrific either. My point is that they're winning and Gus has been playing better of late.
lc9 said:
That sort of absolute statement really doesn't do much for you here. Gus hasn't been uniformly awful. He's been up and down. He was very good against Pittsburgh and New York, so-so with Ottawa and I didn't see the game last night. The numbers Gus has put up over his last four games are very comparable to the numbers Reimer has put up this season and nobody was clamoring for Reimer's exit from the net.
Zee
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Significantly Insignificant said:
Isn't that the risk any goalie takes prior to his first start? How will you ever find out what stage you're at if you don't' get a shot to play? The Leafs are 8-3-1, they're not desperate for wins right now and they can afford to try Scrivens. If they need Gustavsson again for Saturday, he'll have played 3 in 4 nights again.
Zee
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Saint Nik said:
See the thing is, on back to back nights it's good to give the normal starter a rest. Right now Gustavsson is the normal starter. The last time he played back to back nights, he lost the 2nd game on a very bad goal against. The only other time they had back to back nights when Reimer was healthy, he was 4-0-1 and they went to Gustavsson for the 2nd game. Of course he was shelled in that game so maybe that's not the best example LOL