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Getzlaf and Ryan "in play" according to Bob Murray

Corn Flake said:
I think he's imagining things with that package, or Bob Murray planted that one.  I'd like him to cite the case where a player went for that size of a deal in the last while.

I would be expecting more of a Drew Doughty type player for a package like that... someone already performing at a near elite level with some risk, but tonnes of hockey ahead of him. 

I still see it as being one top prospect, one good player and either a 1st pick or another lesser valued prospect. 
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+1. That seems incredibly high for a player they want to move, because he's not playing up to snuff. Keep him then, and have fun trying to get that deal. Happy contract negotiations.
 
Erndog said:
I'm not entirely sure if I read this in here, but I'll post it anyways.  Bruce Garrioch (I believe it was him) mentioned Burke would obviously love Getzlaf and Murrays asking price is 2 top prospects and 2 first round picks.  Bruce then said, it would probably be something like Kadri + Colborne + two first round picks from the Leafs.
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No way. He is having a horrible season and has only 1 year left on his contract after this one. Noone would make that deal.
 
Corn Flake said:
I think he's imagining things with that package, or Bob Murray planted that one.  I'd like him to cite the case where a player went for that size of a deal in the last while.
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I'm not sure precedent really plays a case here. It's not like players of Getzlaf's quality get dealt very often and definitely not in situations where they're not a playoff rental.
 
As to the asking price, it definitely seems like that's what Murray would ask. To put it in some perspective, it's two good not great prospects and two draft picks that look to be in the middle of the round. It also, as suggested, creates the opportunity for the club to either deal one of Grabs or Connolly to try and reacquire some picks/prospects or just let one walk and divert the money elsewhere.

I don't know if it's a deal I make but as I've said in the past a realistic deal is one that will raise doubts on both sides. I mean, I'm not overly thrilled with this deal if I'm a Ducks fan either.
 
sneakyray said:
except that murray himself said that they want immediate help...not prospects and picks
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There's that and, consider the source. It's Bruce Garrioch. He's not exactly the bastion of accuracy.
 
Saint Nik said:
Corn Flake said:
I think he's imagining things with that package, or Bob Murray planted that one.  I'd like him to cite the case where a player went for that size of a deal in the last while.
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I'm not sure precedent really plays a case here. It's not like players of Getzlaf's quality get dealt very often and definitely not in situations where they're not a playoff rental.
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Richards, Carter.

edit: both coming off good seasons too.
 
Busta Reims said:
sneakyray said:
except that murray himself said that they want immediate help...not prospects and picks
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There's that and, consider the source. It's Bruce Garrioch. He's not exactly the bastion of accuracy.
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While I generally would agree with you for ripping Garrioch he did have the Turris deal before anyone else.

I'm going to go on the record and say I'll be extremely shocked if one of the Anaheim 3 get traded let alone all 3 of them.
 
Madferret said:
While I generally would agree with you for ripping Garrioch he did have the Turris deal before anyone else.

I'm going to go on the record and say I'll be extremely shocked if one of the Anaheim 3 get traded let alone all 3 of them.
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I'm gonna go with the blind squirrel and nut theory on the Turris deal. As for the big 3 in Anaheim, I don't think any of them get moved during the season. The Ducks are more likely to be able to get the type of assets they claim to be looking for closer to the draft or in the summer.
 
Burke could always offer up...

Colborne, Frattin, a first and a second.

It's even got a nice rhythm to it.

Do it Brian....
 
Corn Flake said:
Richards, Carter.

edit: both coming off good seasons too.
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Well, personally, I think Getzlaf is a bit of a notch above those two guys. Getzlaf outscored both players last year by 10 points despite playing in 14 fewer games than Richards and 13 fewer than Getzlaf. Getzlaf has been above a point per game in each of the last four seasons and won a cup, a claim neither Flyer could have made.

But even so, look at those deals. Like I said, if I were a Ducks fan and Getzlaf got dealt for two firsts from a team in a playoff spot and two pretty good prospects of theirs and I compared it to the deals the Flyers made I'd probably be a little upset  that the Ducks had probably traded the best player of the three yet the Flyers would have received the best prospect of the bunch, probably the highest draft pick of the bunch and gotten good, young NHL players.

Even still, that's not taking into account the reasons that the Flyers were willing to trade those two guys(both the locker room issues and the strong desire to clear cap space to rebuild the team) that don't really seem to apply in Anaheim. I've never heard back stuff about Getzlaf in the locker room and while Murray may be open to dealing Getzlaf now because of his team's performance I don't get the sense that he's desperate to.

Also, you're exactly right that Carter and Richards weren't rentals but they do kind of fall on the other side of that. The team trading for Carter was taking on, what, near 60 million over 10 years with a NTC? I don't think that was good for his value.

Like I said, when you add up that Getzlaf may be the best player of the three, the higher level assets moved in the Flyers deals and the outside factors I think a strong case can be made that the Flyers trades set this price, not contradict it.
 
Saint Nik said:
Corn Flake said:
Richards, Carter.

edit: both coming off good seasons too.
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Well, personally, I think Getzlaf is a bit of a notch above those two guys. Getzlaf outscored both players last year by 10 points despite playing in 14 fewer games than Richards and 13 fewer than Getzlaf. Getzlaf has been above a point per game in each of the last four seasons and won a cup, a claim neither Flyer could have made.

But even so, look at those deals. Like I said, if I were a Ducks fan and Getzlaf got dealt for two firsts from a team in a playoff spot and two pretty good prospects of theirs and I compared it to the deals the Flyers made I'd probably be a little upset  that the Ducks had probably traded the best player of the three yet the Flyers would have received the best prospect of the bunch, probably the highest draft pick of the bunch and gotten good, young NHL players.

Even still, that's not taking into account the reasons that the Flyers were willing to trade those two guys(both the locker room issues and the strong desire to clear cap space to rebuild the team) that don't really seem to apply in Anaheim. I've never heard back stuff about Getzlaf in the locker room and while Murray may be open to dealing Getzlaf now because of his team's performance I don't get the sense that he's desperate to.

Also, you're exactly right that Carter and Richards weren't rentals but they do kind of fall on the other side of that. The team trading for Carter was taking on, what, near 60 million over 10 years with a NTC? I don't think that was good for his value.

Like I said, when you add up that Getzlaf may be the best player of the three, the higher level assets moved in the Flyers deals and the outside factors I think a strong case can be made that the Flyers trades set this price, not contradict it.
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And I agree that those two recent deals have helped to set a price.  I also agree that Getzlaf is the best of the 3 players.  Right now at least.

The drawback of the contracts of Richards and Carter is the term, but the drawback of Getzlaf is the term as well.. UFA next year and assumed will cash in big-time.    In both cases I'm not sure the contracts hurt the value of either Richards or Carter.  The term is nuts, but the rate is pretty good for both and I think most feel both will be consistent 70'ish point producers for a long, long time.

Whoever takes on Getzlaf runs the risk of either losing him to UFA, or paying him full tilt rate to stay and regressing once that new deal kicks in.  The concern with him is his style lends to breaking down sooner. Carter and Richards don't play that same type of game.

There are a hundred ways to slice and dice the factors for either side.  The basic comparable for the 3 players is they are all-star level players (a goofy generalization but a way of ballparking overall talent), entering their prime years, and on contracts from an annual rate are relatively easily swallowed by just about any team (unlike Eric Staal).

And wait... weren't you the guy a few pages back saying you didn't think Getzlaf was going to go for a king's ransom of top prospects and picks?  Maybe I'm wrong and I don't have the time to check...
 
Corn Flake said:
The drawback of the contracts of Richards and Carter is the term, but the drawback of Getzlaf is the term as well.. UFA next year and assumed will cash in big-time.    In both cases I'm not sure the contracts hurt the value of either Richards or Carter.  The term is nuts, but the rate is pretty good for both and I think most feel both will be consistent 70'ish point producers for a long, long time.
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I agree for the most part with the exception of the possibility that either guy was traded, in part, because of issues in the locker room. That's a lot of money/years to commit to someone you're not sure about. 

Corn Flake said:
And wait... weren't you the guy a few pages back saying you didn't think Getzlaf was going to go for a king's ransom of top prospects and picks?  Maybe I'm wrong and I don't have the time to check...
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No. My point was about individual high level assets. I didn't say that Getzlaf wouldn't be traded for fair value, just that he'd be more likely to be traded for a package of second tier assets as opposed to emerging young stars/established stars. The proposed package from the Leafs fits that concept. Two good but not top prospects and two mid round draft picks.
 
Saint Nik said:
Corn Flake said:
The drawback of the contracts of Richards and Carter is the term, but the drawback of Getzlaf is the term as well.. UFA next year and assumed will cash in big-time.    In both cases I'm not sure the contracts hurt the value of either Richards or Carter.  The term is nuts, but the rate is pretty good for both and I think most feel both will be consistent 70'ish point producers for a long, long time.
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I agree for the most part with the exception of the possibility that either guy was traded, in part, because of issues in the locker room. That's a lot of money/years to commit to someone you're not sure about. 
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I think a lot of that was overblown, but there is some merit as to why the Flyers decided to deal not one, but both of them.  They were obviously party animals and most seem to conclude that Pronger had a lot of influence when he came in and that clashed with Carter/Richards, eventually leading to the change.  Giroux being as good as he was either made it possible or made it necessary to hand him the keys to the top line. 

As iffy as they may have been in the room I don't think the acquiring team was at all concerned about what they could do on the ice and probably the thinking was that breaking the duo up would help to clean up their acts a bit.

It has at least worked out as expected in LA with Richards.  In Columbus, nothing works out so hard to tell.

I'm not sure Getzlaf is a model citizen and he's not without criticism recently, but yes he would come with less question marks over his head about his attitude in the room, maybe only because of his past success. 
 
When the hell is Burke calling a press conference to announce this trade.  Make it happen already!
 
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