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Getzlaf and Ryan "in play" according to Bob Murray

Saint Nik said:
If Getzlaf does get dealt, I have a hunch it's going to be a for a collection of second tier kind of young players/prospects/picks. I think Erndog's list is a good one in terms of what the Leafs have in that regard but I don't know if there are any players on it who are having really good NHL seasons right now. I don't think guys like Connolly or MacArthur would have any value at all in that conversation.
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You could well be right, though I'd have to question the move from Anaheims perspective if it happened but Kovalchuk didn't exactly get the moon ( nor Thornton ) so, yeah.
 
Corn Flake said:
Lebrun got quite the quote from Burke on the trade front:

"We are listening to a lot right now, and there is a good chance something will happen, but I don?t think it?s going to happen today or tomorrow,"

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/13567/trade-rumblings-leafs-bolts-ducks-in-mix

That is a significant upgrade from his quotes a short while ago which was something to the effect of 29 GM's asking crazy prices.
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There have been rumors about the Leafs looking at goaltending, but Burke shot that down.

"Not a chance," Burke said emphatically. "We?re not talking to any teams right now about getting a goalie."
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Just in case anyone was wondering.

Thanks for the link!
 
Tigger said:
You could well be right, though I'd have to question the move from Anaheims perspective if it happened but Kovalchuk didn't exactly get the moon ( nor Thornton ) so, yeah.
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Kovalchuk was a rental though. And Thornton, as mentioned earlier, hasn't been a blueprint for any subsequent deal.
 
Sarge said:
A deal like this replenishes the team and makes perfect sense I think. They'll probably also going to move out two of Visnovsky, Beauchemin, Lydman, Blake, and Hagman saving money there.

Edit: Boston aside, the point being is they don't need to save money when dealing Getzlaf.
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I said it wouldn't make sense for Boston. I'd understand it from Anaheim's POV but I'd still be shocked if the best they could do is Krejci.
 
Saint Nik said:
Sarge said:
A deal like this replenishes the team and makes perfect sense I think. They'll probably also going to move out two of Visnovsky, Beauchemin, Lydman, Blake, and Hagman saving money there.

Edit: Boston aside, the point being is they don't need to save money when dealing Getzlaf.
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I said it wouldn't make sense for Boston. I'd understand it from Anaheim's POV but I'd still be shocked if the best they could do is Krejci.
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When did I says just Krejci? I said, Krejci, Hamilton, and Caron... Or a similar type deal.
 
Sarge said:
When did I says just Krejci?
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I didn't say you did. But Krejci is the only NHL ready talent in that deal and, again, I'd be shocked if that's the best they can do in that regard. He's a guy who's only a year younger than Getzlaf, not as good, and makes about the same money.
 
Saint Nik said:
Sarge said:
When did I says just Krejci?
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I didn't say you did. But Krejci is the only NHL ready talent in that deal and, again, I'd be shocked if that's the best they can do in that regard. He's a guy who's only a year younger than Getzlaf, not as good, and makes about the same money.
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You did actually...

Saint Nik said:
I'd understand it from Anaheim's POV but I'd still be shocked if the best they could do is Krejci.
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You also said you'd be surprised if the price for Getzlaf was as high as some have speculated here but on the other hand, you're saying that perhaps a deal involving Krejci, Hamilton, and Caron wouldn't be enough which in my mind, kinds of puts you all over the map on this one... Is it simply because you feel Hamilton and Caron aren't  very strong prospects? If you don't, that's cool because at least it puts you on one side of the fence, not both... Anyway, in my mind, they're pretty darn good prospects and it could be the type of deal we see for Getzlaf if Boston were to be the team involved. 

 
Sarge said:
You did actually...
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No, I really didn't. Refer to my previous post where I describe Krejci as "an uninspiring centrepiece" in the proposed deal. That's the context in which I say that I have a hard time believing that Krejci is the best they can do, the centrepiece of a deal and not the entire deal.

Sarge said:
You also said you'd be surprised if the price for Getzlaf was as high as some have speculated here but on the other hand, you're saying that perhaps a deal involving Krejci, Hamilton, and Caron wouldn't be enough which in my mind, kinds of puts you all over the map on this one...
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In my original post, the one you're referring to, what I'm talking about is the specific idea that Getzlaf is going to be traded for a guy like a Staal or another already established NHL star or a young player who's on the cusp of being that. What I'm saying is that I think the package for him would revolve around guys on the next tier of value.

In that tier there's tons of guys who are out there but, to my mind, Anaheim is still going to want to land some mix of draft picks/young players and in that context I'd be shocked if the deal you propose is one Anaheim would be happy with.

So my point is that people might be surprised with the wattage in any such deal, not necessarily the value. Sorry if that confused.
 
I think Anaheim pulls the trigger on a Getzlaf trade, but I don't think we see it until close to the deadline.  Their season is toast, the longer the team scuffles, the better their draft pick and I don't think another month or two of struggled play is going to hurt Getzlaf's trade value. 

Parity is a reality of the post-lockout NHL.  Very few of the teams in the playoff race aren't going to be there come the trade deadline (February 27th) and quite frankly Getzlaf could even be the kind of trade where all 29 teams still consider a bid regardless of their playoff situation (even though pretty much only 4-5 teams are legitimately out of the playoff race right now).
 
L K said:
I think Anaheim pulls the trigger on a Getzlaf trade, but I don't think we see it until close to the deadline.  Their season is toast, the longer the team scuffles, the better their draft pick and I don't think another month or two of struggled play is going to hurt Getzlaf's trade value. 

Parity is a reality of the post-lockout NHL.  Very few of the teams in the playoff race aren't going to be there come the trade deadline (February 27th) and quite frankly Getzlaf could even be the kind of trade where all 29 teams still consider a bid regardless of their playoff situation (even though pretty much only 4-5 teams are legitimately out of the playoff race right now).
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This is an area where you have to think the Leafs have first crack. We might have to pay the same as market value but if other deals are equivalent then I definitely see the deciding factor as Burke's ties to Anaheim.
 
L K said:
I think Anaheim pulls the trigger on a Getzlaf trade, but I don't think we see it until close to the deadline.  Their season is toast, the longer the team scuffles, the better their draft pick and I don't think another month or two of struggled play is going to hurt Getzlaf's trade value. 

Parity is a reality of the post-lockout NHL.  Very few of the teams in the playoff race aren't going to be there come the trade deadline (February 27th) and quite frankly Getzlaf could even be the kind of trade where all 29 teams still consider a bid regardless of their playoff situation (even though pretty much only 4-5 teams are legitimately out of the playoff race right now).
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I suppose I could argue that some teams, like the Leafs, are make or break right now...and that would encourage them to step up and get the help they need right now to make a push for the playoffs.  At the time of the deadline, it may be too late.

In addition to that, Anaheim may do more tanking without him, and wouldn't have to pay for his services between now and the deadline...but that's assuming there wouldn't be an equal amount of salary going the other way.
 
Sooo....with Anaheim maybe down to their 3rd string goalie and Owuya being called up to the Marlies giving the Leafs Gustavsson, Rynnas and Owuya as hot goalies and Reimer recovering....now can their be speculation again with trade for Getzlaf??
 
I'm not entirely sure if I read this in here, but I'll post it anyways.  Bruce Garrioch (I believe it was him) mentioned Burke would obviously love Getzlaf and Murrays asking price is 2 top prospects and 2 first round picks.  Bruce then said, it would probably be something like Kadri + Colborne + two first round picks from the Leafs.

4 "first round" assets is quite a bit to give up.  It's entirely possible all 4 end up becoming 2nd line, 50+ point type players.  Then again, it's entirely possible all 4 never really do anything at the NHL level.  Giving away 4 assets of that value though, you'd have to think at least a couple turn out to be pretty solid.

Thoughts? 
 
Britishbulldog said:
Sooo....with Anaheim maybe down to their 3rd string goalie and Owuya being called up to the Marlies giving the Leafs Gustavsson, Rynnas and Owuya as hot goalies and Reimer recovering....now can their be speculation again with trade for Getzlaf??
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Not sure they would get panicky about it since their season is already toast but they do have issues in net long-term.  I would assume the Ducks are having a lot of second thoughts on Hiller being their lock in net for the future after an injury plagued season last year and a disaster of a season by his standards this year.

I could certainly see a Scrivens, Rynnas or Owuya being part of a package deal.  I don't see the Leafs parting with Reimer or Gus right now.  Too risky.

And can we all please stop suggesting Hiller as a salary dump take-on.  Its never happening.
 
Erndog said:
I'm not entirely sure if I read this in here, but I'll post it anyways.  Bruce Garrioch (I believe it was him) mentioned Burke would obviously love Getzlaf and Murrays asking price is 2 top prospects and 2 first round picks.  Bruce then said, it would probably be something like Kadri + Colborne + two first round picks from the Leafs.

4 "first round" assets is quite a bit to give up.  It's entirely possible all 4 end up becoming 2nd line, 50+ point type players.  Then again, it's entirely possible all 4 never really do anything at the NHL level.  Giving away 4 assets of that value though, you'd have to think at least a couple turn out to be pretty solid.

Thoughts?
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I'm sure he's ask for that... Why not? I think a shrewd GM on the other side of the discussion would be able to convince Murray into decreasing ONE of those assets though.

ie. (asssuming we're talking the Leafs)...

* Colborne OR Kadri plus lesser prospect + 2 1st round picks
* Colborne + Kadri plus one 1st round pick and say, a 3rd round pick

... Something like that.

Edit: I'd then flip Grabo to someone to recover my 1st or try to get a Colborne/Kadri/Gardiner  type prospect for him.
 
Busta Reims said:
Corn Flake said:
Lebrun got quite the quote from Burke on the trade front:

"We are listening to a lot right now, and there is a good chance something will happen, but I don?t think it?s going to happen today or tomorrow,"

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/13567/trade-rumblings-leafs-bolts-ducks-in-mix

That is a significant upgrade from his quotes a short while ago which was something to the effect of 29 GM's asking crazy prices.
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With guys like Kadri, Colborne and Frattin knocking on the door and showing that they're all capable of playing at the NHL level, I wouldn't be surprised to see a move similar to the Beauchemin deal to create/cement a spot for one of them when everyone is healthy.
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Very true. It puts the Leafs in an interesting position headed towards the deadline.  They have a  small stack of mid-tier forwards that could help a lot of teams, aren't horribly over priced but could probably be replaced by the kids you suggested. 
 
If one of Lombardi, MacArthur, Bozak, Armstrong or even... Grabbo *gasp* were moved in that kind of a trade, would this team really fall apart?  I don't think so, plus it would keep Burke honestly on the path of the longer term vision and not thinking this team is ready to start contending. 

It's all tricky to predict, with a Getzlaf'ish trade a possibility it could change things a lot depending on who goes in a deal like that, but yeah I really like the concept of moving the kids up and moving out excess 2nd tier veterans.
 
Erndog said:
I'm not entirely sure if I read this in here, but I'll post it anyways.  Bruce Garrioch (I believe it was him) mentioned Burke would obviously love Getzlaf and Murrays asking price is 2 top prospects and 2 first round picks.  Bruce then said, it would probably be something like Kadri + Colborne + two first round picks from the Leafs.

4 "first round" assets is quite a bit to give up.  It's entirely possible all 4 end up becoming 2nd line, 50+ point type players.  Then again, it's entirely possible all 4 never really do anything at the NHL level.  Giving away 4 assets of that value though, you'd have to think at least a couple turn out to be pretty solid.

Thoughts?
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I think he's imagining things with that package, or Bob Murray planted that one.  I'd like him to cite the case where a player went for that size of a deal in the last while.

I would be expecting more of a Drew Doughty type player for a package like that... someone already performing at a near elite level with some risk, but tonnes of hockey ahead of him. 

I still see it as being one top prospect, one good player and either a 1st pick or another lesser valued prospect. 
 
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