Goaltending conundrum v3.0-Reimer or Bernier?

[Bender]

Nothing wrong with riding a hot hand. It just didn't work out. Do you honestly think career AHLer Jussi Rynnas would give us a better shot at a win? Because I sure don't.

Not necessarily, although I don't really see how describing Rynnas as a career AHLer makes a ton of sense, but I think the argument for resting Scrivens has as much to do with the game against Buffalo, where it'll be his 5th game in 8 nights, as it would the game against Tampa Bay. There's a reason goalies typically don't play 80+ games in a season and it's because they need nights off.

I get what you're saying but he's not going to be playing a full season at this rate. They riding him like no tomorrow because they know he's the Leafs best shot at wins while Reimer is injured for another week or two. I believe Rynnas would've played in the TB game if they were confident he could give them a chance to win - they probably thought riding the hot hand made the most sense - the bounces were clearly going his way the last few games and they hoped it would continue. He does need a rest though, but I can see why they used Scrivens against a strong offensive team - I'd shelter Rynnas against a team like Florida or Columbus, not against one of the stronger offensive teams in the league.

 

[Kin]

He does need a rest though, but I can see why they used Scrivens against a strong offensive team - I'd shelter Rynnas against a team like Florida or Columbus, not against one of the stronger offensive teams in the league.

Problem is they don't have a game coming up like that. Sure, resting him last night may not have been ideal but I think in the long run it may prove the better move.

 

[Zee]

Nothing wrong with riding a hot hand. It just didn't work out. Do you honestly think career AHLer Jussi Rynnas would give us a better shot at a win? Because I sure don't.

Not necessarily, although I don't really see how describing Rynnas as a career AHLer makes a ton of sense, but I think the argument for resting Scrivens has as much to do with the game against Buffalo, where it'll be his 5th game in 8 nights, as it would the game against Tampa Bay. There's a reason goalies typically don't play 80+ games in a season and it's because they need nights off.

I get what you're saying but he's not going to be playing a full season at this rate. They riding him like no tomorrow because they know he's the Leafs best shot at wins while Reimer is injured for another week or two. I believe Rynnas would've played in the TB game if they were confident he could give them a chance to win - they probably thought riding the hot hand made the most sense - the bounces were clearly going his way the last few games and they hoped it would continue. He does need a rest though, but I can see why they used Scrivens against a strong offensive team - I'd shelter Rynnas against a team like Florida or Columbus, not against one of the stronger offensive teams in the league.

The Leafs had just won 5 out of 6, sure Scrivens had a hot hand but it's not as if the Leafs were life and death to win.  Playing back to back was the perfect opportunity to rest Scrivens and get Rynnas a shot.  If they lose with Rynnas no big deal, Scrivens is rested and not affected by the loss.  This way makes no sense, as if they have 0 confidence in Rynnas that he can't even get into a back to back game.  In the year where the Leafs have given all these guys like Holzer, Kotska, Kadri, Komarov a shot, why not let Rynnas get his opportunity to start while the team was playing well leading up to it?

 

[rdowdall]

I am just going to throw this out there:

Carlyle is not perfect.  He makes mistakes.

 

[leafplasma]

I am just going to throw this out there:

Carlyle is not perfect.  He makes mistakes.

Yes and he most definitely did this time.  Thing is and one of the things we love about RC is that he may be the first to admit this.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I am just going to throw this out there:

Carlyle is not perfect.  He makes mistakes.

Yes and he most definitely did this time.  Thing is and one of the things we love about RC is that he may be the first to admit this.

I don't know necessarily that I would of started Scrivens in back to back games and he certainly let in a softy for the 3rd goal(for which Holzer and Phaneuf should share a big part of the blame)...

But, the first goal falls on the shoulders of JVR for a terrible back pass in his own zone. The 2nd goal falls directly on the shoulders of Phaneuf for his indecision on what to do with the puck and skating it back into traffic and then seemingly panicing. The 4th goal also lies at the feet of Phaneuf for playing the puck half heartedly in the corner and to whomever screened Scrivens.

I'm not removing blame from Scrivens but I think Carlyle's mistake may of been dressing Phaneuf.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I am just going to throw this out there:

Carlyle is not perfect.  He makes mistakes.

Yes and he most definitely did this time.  Thing is and one of the things we love about RC is that he may be the first to admit this.

I don't know necessarily that I would of started Scrivens in back to back games and he certainly let in a softy for the 3rd goal(for which Holzer and Phaneuf should share a big part of the blame)...

How so?  Watched the video and Holzer makes a terrible pass up the boards to no one, Tampa grabs it near the blueline and shoot a weak shot that goes in.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I am just going to throw this out there:

Carlyle is not perfect.  He makes mistakes.

Yes and he most definitely did this time.  Thing is and one of the things we love about RC is that he may be the first to admit this.

I don't know necessarily that I would of started Scrivens in back to back games and he certainly let in a softy for the 3rd goal(for which Holzer and Phaneuf should share a big part of the blame)...

How so?  Watched the video and Holzer makes a terrible pass up the boards to no one, Tampa grabs it near the blueline and shoot a weak shot that goes in.

You're right, just rewached it..It's the 4th goal that I was thinking of. The 3rd goal falls on Scrivens and Holzer. I'm still trying to figure out how that one got by Scrivens.

 

[sickbeast]

Reimer took a full practice today.  8)

 

[nutman]

Reimer took a full practice today.  8)

Nice  ;D

 

[Zee]

Good news about Reimer.

 

[leafplasma]

I think it is fantastic beyond words that we have two young goalies that are playing lights out.  That's why Burke signed all those goalies to see who would pan out, well Reims was drafted but just saying.  Reimer and Scrivens on the cheap and looking like the future and Luongo in Vancouver is exactly how the story is supposed to unfold.  Going to be very difficult to choose between the two going forward.

 

[Kaberle15]

Siegel posted that RC looks to go with 1a-1b once Reimer gets back

 

[drummond]

I think it is fantastic beyond words that we have two young goalies that are playing lights out.  That's why Burke signed all those goalies to see who would pan out, well Reims was drafted but just saying.  Reimer and Scrivens on the cheap and looking like the future and Luongo in Vancouver is exactly how the story is supposed to unfold.  Going to be very difficult to choose between the two going forward.

Btw Nucks should be grateful for having Lou as he is carrying them right now and he is clearly outplaying Schneider. I am not sure if they are in the position to ship Roberto away, at least yet.

 

[TML fan]

If I'm the Canucks, I'd be drafting a goalie this summer and trading Schneider.

 

[nutman]

I think the Leafs are set in net for a long time. I was hoping Scrivens would beat out the monster last year. but the wait has been worth it. To me it dont matter what one is in net because I think eather one can win on any given night.

 

[slapshot]

Siegel posted that RC looks to go with 1a-1b once Reimer gets back

Over the years, there have been a number of teams that employed two quality goalie systems during the regular
season, where they co-existed without any acrimony.

Grant Fuhr and Andy Moog
Billy Smith and Chico Resch
Further back
Bower and Sawchuk
Worsley and Vachon
I think Hall and Plante even played together on the Blues at one point, if I recall?
When it got to playoff time, the rode the best horse.

Problem today is salary cap, tying up too much money. Unless you have to young relatively cheap goalies playing their butts off, which these guys have so far. Nice problem, and apparently they (and their wives) are pals. Hopefully, the media doesn't stir the pot too much with this, and things just play themselves out.

 

[Leafaholic99]

I think the Leafs are set in net for a long time. I was hoping Scrivens would beat out the monster last year. but the wait has been worth it. To me it dont matter what one is in net because I think eather one can win on any given night.

I feel the same, I am a huge Reimer fan, but am slowly becoming a Scrivens fan as well, I am impressed with both of them so far this season, they each have had a bad game or two, but when they play well, they play really well, I really hope they can keep this up for a couple more seasons together!

 

[leafplasma]

I am in the Scrivens court, I have watched him alot with the Marlies and I feel like I lean a little more towards him.  Don't get me wrong I like Reimer and Reimer maybe the better talent long term as he is two years longer.  Right now I feel Scrivens may be the guy I would lean a little more on now.  He has enough games in now to work out the jitters and he is much more composed in goal and we are really seeing the true Scrivens now.  Scrivens has performed lights out at every level of play, College, ECHL, AHL and now at the NHL level.  He has shown he can step it up in the playoffs as well.  He handles the media well with his maturity and is a complete team guy.  Not quite sure why he doesn't get the credit, maybe because he was never drafted.

So from here on out Scrivens is my guy, with Reimer getting a fair amount of starts and set to take over in the next year or two.  Until Scrivens shows me he can't do it, which hasn't happened yet in his career at any level, he stays in.  He has me convinced.

 

[nutman]

I am in the Scrivens court, I have watched him alot with the Marlies and I feel like I lean a little more towards him.  Don't get me wrong I like Reimer and Reimer maybe the better talent long term as he is two years longer.  Right now I feel Scrivens may be the guy I would lean a little more on now.  He has enough games in now to work out the jitters and he is much more composed in goal and we are really seeing the true Scrivens now.  Scrivens has performed lights out at every level of play, College, ECHL, AHL and now at the NHL level.  He has shown he can step it up in the playoffs as well.  He handles the media well with his maturity and is a complete team guy.  Not quite sure why he doesn't get the credit, maybe because he was never drafted.

So from here on out Scrivens is my guy, with Reimer getting a fair amount of starts and set to take over in the next year or two.  Until Scrivens shows me he can't do it, which hasn't happened yet in his career at any level, he stays in.  He has me convinced.

I'm hearing that from a few frends, it seems more and more are liking Scrivens better.