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Goaltending conundrum

Saint Nik said:
princedpw said:
Why do you have to be such a jerk to a new person posting on the boards?  Is it your goal to drive people away?
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You're reading way more into that then what's actually there. There's nothing impolite in what I said. I asked how he figured something and then said my piece plainly and simply. If Gus is going to be compared to a league wide average than that league wide average should be the actual league-wide average. That seems pretty fair.

I mean, not that it matters, but this particular poster posted at the old board and so I didn't figure it would be that much of a culture shock to ask for clarification and then make my own statement, no different than I would any other poster. I'm sorry if it's offended your delicate sensibilities.
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yeah its not likely it matters when you give Nik standards or logic anyway.
 
Azzurri63, paragraphs would help, but yes, I agree that Reimer should have gone on a conditioning stint in the AHL. I also didn't know Bunny Laroque had died. R.I.P.

Gus seemed to be finding his game and winning the confidence of the team. Was it J.M. Liles who said "we had the best Swedish goaltender tonight" after the win over the Rangers? That kind of comment shows that the team has got your back.

To just throw Reimer in there after what he's been through killed Gus's momentum and may have been too much for Reimer right now. Neither of them has proven anything yet, so whoever is winning games should be starting.
 
riff raff said:
Significantly Insignificant said:
The criticisms levelled at Gus may have something to do with the difference in attitude between he and Reimer that people perceive.  They may remember Gus glaring at his teammates and smashing his stick, and they see Reimer always appearing to be somewhat calm.  So maybe when you have that sort of attitude and you don't get results, it leaves a bad taste in people mouths.  I find it interesting that the ascension and decline of both goalies in their first two years is somewhat similar.  Gus played in 42 games in 2009-2010 and near the end of that season, seemed to be providing the type of goaltending a playoff calibre team needed.  Last year however he faltered, and we were ready to throw him to the wolves.  He looks like he is trying to re-establish himself this year.  Reimer came in at the end of last year, and looked every bit the part of a number 1 goalie, but this year is having trouble re-establishing himself in that role.
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You see, the "negative attitude" that you describe is, to me, further evidence of the bias fans have against Gus. They see that as a negative in him, whereas in someone like Belfour it is seen as a positive, as him being competitive.
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I never used the term negative...I just said difference in attitude.
 
riff raff said:
In addition to which, there hasn't been anything like that from Gus this year, so why bring it up now?

If you follow any of the Leafs on twitter, you may note that they almost always go out of their way to credit him after a win. His teammates like him so that whole "glaring" thing seems like a red herring.
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I was merely hypothesizing why Gus receives more criticism than Reimer.  I was using references in the past to support a theory that it may have something to do with perceived attitude.
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
riff raff said:
Significantly Insignificant said:
The criticisms levelled at Gus may have something to do with the difference in attitude between he and Reimer that people perceive.  They may remember Gus glaring at his teammates and smashing his stick, and they see Reimer always appearing to be somewhat calm.  So maybe when you have that sort of attitude and you don't get results, it leaves a bad taste in people mouths.  I find it interesting that the ascension and decline of both goalies in their first two years is somewhat similar.  Gus played in 42 games in 2009-2010 and near the end of that season, seemed to be providing the type of goaltending a playoff calibre team needed.  Last year however he faltered, and we were ready to throw him to the wolves.  He looks like he is trying to re-establish himself this year.  Reimer came in at the end of last year, and looked every bit the part of a number 1 goalie, but this year is having trouble re-establishing himself in that role.
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You see, the "negative attitude" that you describe is, to me, further evidence of the bias fans have against Gus. They see that as a negative in him, whereas in someone like Belfour it is seen as a positive, as him being competitive.
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I never used the term negative...I just said difference in attitude.
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My bad. I thought the 'negative' part was implied.

So what was it about his attitude (competitive/violent/glaring) that will "leave a bad taste in people (sic) mouths"?
 
His GAA ranks 31st, his save % ranks 40th, he is 40th in wins..
I don't know who I feel more sorry for - Gustavsson or Brian Elliott.
 
riff raff said:
Significantly Insignificant said:
riff raff said:
Significantly Insignificant said:
The criticisms levelled at Gus may have something to do with the difference in attitude between he and Reimer that people perceive.  They may remember Gus glaring at his teammates and smashing his stick, and they see Reimer always appearing to be somewhat calm.  So maybe when you have that sort of attitude and you don't get results, it leaves a bad taste in people mouths.  I find it interesting that the ascension and decline of both goalies in their first two years is somewhat similar.  Gus played in 42 games in 2009-2010 and near the end of that season, seemed to be providing the type of goaltending a playoff calibre team needed.  Last year however he faltered, and we were ready to throw him to the wolves.  He looks like he is trying to re-establish himself this year.  Reimer came in at the end of last year, and looked every bit the part of a number 1 goalie, but this year is having trouble re-establishing himself in that role.
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You see, the "negative attitude" that you describe is, to me, further evidence of the bias fans have against Gus. They see that as a negative in him, whereas in someone like Belfour it is seen as a positive, as him being competitive.
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I never used the term negative...I just said difference in attitude.
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My bad. I thought the 'negative' part was implied.

So what was it about his attitude (competitive/violent/glaring) that will "leave a bad taste in people (sic) mouths"?
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I'm not sure.  I just remember that when he was doing it people had some comments about it.  For the most part I think some people felt that he could get rattled easily.  So that behaviour, along with a string of bad play, could make people feel like he shouldn't be starting in high pressure games.  I would go back to the thread that talked about this behaviour, but I think the posts were on the old forums. 
 
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