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Goaltending conundrum

CarltonTheBear said:
After the "goaltending" this team has had to put up with since the lockout it honestly boggles my mind that some fans wouldn't be interested in a guy who is 1 year removed from a Vezina nomination. I couldn't care less how long his contract is, that's future-CTB's problem. With Luongo in net any post-CBA Leafs would have made the playoffs.
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I think you're seriously neglecting and underestimating how much more annoying the Bosco plumbing ads would become.

It's just not worth it.
 
Don't know if this has been mentioned, but Elliotte Friedman made an intersting point today in his article:  http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2012/04/luongo-trade-talk-30-thoughts.html

3. There were some reports the Canucks can block a potential offer sheet for Schneider by offering him arbitration just after the Stanley Cup final (Nashville did this last season with Shea Weber). Don't believe that is true. Because Schneider earned less than $1.5 million, no action can be taken before July 5. If he and the team cannot get something signed beforehand, he will be exposed for a few days.

News to me, but it makes things much more interesting.
 
bustaheims said:
What I'd like to see in the new CBA, and what might help a trade for a guy like Luongo, is for teams to be allowed to renegotiate contracts of players as part of the trade process. Give them 7 days after acquiring the player to come to an agreement or whatever. Obviously, there would probably have to be some limits on how significant the renegotiation changes the contract, but, I think it would help ease a lot of tough situations that we're seeing around the league right now (Luongo, Nash, etc).
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I don't think that would really work. In addition to the problems you'd have with the PA it seems to me like it would be more likely to create messy situations, or messier situations, then it would to clear any up.

Just as a hypothetical, say Toronto strikes a deal with Vancouver for Luongo. Now you don't say if the deals could be conditional on a successful renegotiation or not but either way if the player doesn't want to bargain away parts of the contract he feels he earned you'd be left with a goalie, either on Vancouver or Toronto, aware that the team he's on doesn't really want him there.

Basically, every single deal like that mean that players would start their relationships with new teams with a contentious negotiation because the essence of any such negotiation would be their new team saying that they don't think he's worth his current deal. Yeah, you might have some situations where a player himself is so desperate for a change of scenery that he'd be willing to give money up to leave but I'm guessing even Luongo and Nash would want to feel as if their new teams think they're worth what they got.
 
Nik? said:
bustaheims said:
What I'd like to see in the new CBA, and what might help a trade for a guy like Luongo, is for teams to be allowed to renegotiate contracts of players as part of the trade process. Give them 7 days after acquiring the player to come to an agreement or whatever. Obviously, there would probably have to be some limits on how significant the renegotiation changes the contract, but, I think it would help ease a lot of tough situations that we're seeing around the league right now (Luongo, Nash, etc).
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I don't think that would really work. In addition to the problems you'd have with the PA it seems to me like it would be more likely to create messy situations, or messier situations, then it would to clear any up.

Just as a hypothetical, say Toronto strikes a deal with Vancouver for Luongo. Now you don't say if the deals could be conditional on a successful renegotiation or not but either way if the player doesn't want to bargain away parts of the contract he feels he earned you'd be left with a goalie, either on Vancouver or Toronto, aware that the team he's on doesn't really want him there.

Basically, every single deal like that mean that players would start their relationships with new teams with a contentious negotiation because the essence of any such negotiation would be their new team saying that they don't think he's worth his current deal. Yeah, you might have some situations where a player himself is so desperate for a change of scenery that he'd be willing to give money up to leave but I'm guessing even Luongo and Nash would want to feel as if their new teams think they're worth what they got.
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So do you think a system where you can trade salary, like Burke has suggested, is more plausible?
 
‏@tsnjamesduthie
Sources say Roberto Luongo will submit a short list of teams he'd waive his no-trade to go to next week. Toronto will be on it.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but if a player who signed a contract prior to being 35 years old, if he retires the contract comes off the books right?  So if he retires with 3 years left on his deal we're off the hook right?
 
Can8899 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but if a player who signed a contract prior to being 35 years old, if he retires the contract comes off the books right?  So if he retires with 3 years left on his deal we're off the hook right?
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Correct.
 
Potvin29 said:
He's asked for a trade apparently.

Nick Kypreos ‏ @RealKyper

#SNPlayoffs #Canucks Luongo asks for trade. Van didn't even need to ask him to waive NTC. He tells them himself in exit meeting he wants out
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That throws an interesting wrinkle into things and doesn't help his trade value at all.
 
If the Duthie and Kypreos quotes are true, the Leafs have to go hard after Luongo.  Contract and Burke's ethics be damned - this would solidify the net for close to the next five years.
 
bustaheims said:
Potvin29 said:
He's asked for a trade apparently.

Nick Kypreos ‏ @RealKyper

#SNPlayoffs #Canucks Luongo asks for trade. Van didn't even need to ask him to waive NTC. He tells them himself in exit meeting he wants out
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That throws an interesting wrinkle into things and doesn't help his trade value at all.
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It also ends any discussion re. Schneider who now becomes absolutely untouchable.
 
Champ Kind said:
If the Duthie and Kypreos quotes are true, the Leafs have to go hard after Luongo.  Contract and Burke's ethics be damned - this would solidify the net for close to the next five years.
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I agree, Burke can't blow this one, unless the asking price is wayyyy too high, he has to give it a legit shot, he needs a proven #1 goalie and Luongo is that, if we get Luongo, we will make the playoffs. It will probably help rejuvinate my interest in the Leafs too as I like the physical defensive side of the game and huge saves by a goalie. We haven't had that since the lockout ended :/
 
Sarge said:
It also ends any discussion re. Schneider who now becomes absolutely untouchable.
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Well, no, not really. They don't have to trade Luongo, but, moving him now becomes their clear priority.
 
RyanSH said:
I like the physical defensive side of the game and huge saves by a goalie. We haven't had that since the lockout ended :/
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Well that's not entirely true... Raycroft made that one save that one time. That's got to count for something... right? Am I right? Hello?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yks7JzVZHww
 
Champ Kind said:
If the Duthie and Kypreos quotes are true, the Leafs have to go hard after Luongo.  Contract and Burke's ethics be damned - this would solidify the net for close to the next five years.
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or until the Leafs make the playoffs....
 
bustaheims said:
Sarge said:
It also ends any discussion re. Schneider who now becomes absolutely untouchable.
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Well, no, not really. They don't have to trade Luongo, but, moving him now becomes their clear priority.
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Exavtly. So if they move Luongo (who appears to want to end his relationship with the 'nucks) then no chance they move Schneider too. Really, as long as the priorty is to move Luongo, they don't even listen to offers for Schneider.
 
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