Gustavsson

[Stebro]

Yup, let's trade the back up to make sure we get to the playoffs, what a sound plan.

Yeah, because Gustavsson has really helped us improving our chances? Schrivens is playing better, and when Reimer gets back, what should we do with Gustavsson then?

Send Scrivens to the minors or trade Goose but you nailed the point, the Leafs need a starter, 12 consecutive games and counting now.

While Goose isn't a starter he's an adequate back up, Scrivens needs to play so I'd let him eat games in the A while developing and keep the Monster.

Back ups are generally meant to augment the starter, not replace him outright.

Ok, let me ask you this. As a backup who do you think would win most games for us? Schrivens or Gustavsson?

 

[Tigger]

Yup, let's trade the back up to make sure we get to the playoffs, what a sound plan.

Yeah, because Gustavsson has really helped us improving our chances? Schrivens is playing better, and when Reimer gets back, what should we do with Gustavsson then?

Send Scrivens to the minors or trade Goose but you nailed the point, the Leafs need a starter, 12 consecutive games and counting now.

While Goose isn't a starter he's an adequate back up, Scrivens needs to play so I'd let him eat games in the A while developing and keep the Monster.

Back ups are generally meant to augment the starter, not replace him outright.

Ok, let me ask you this. As a backup who do you think would win most games for us? Schrivens or Gustavsson?

As a total guess I'd say it could be pretty even, like it is now.

 

[Stebro]

Yup, let's trade the back up to make sure we get to the playoffs, what a sound plan.

Yeah, because Gustavsson has really helped us improving our chances? Schrivens is playing better, and when Reimer gets back, what should we do with Gustavsson then?

Send Scrivens to the minors or trade Goose but you nailed the point, the Leafs need a starter, 12 consecutive games and counting now.

While Goose isn't a starter he's an adequate back up, Scrivens needs to play so I'd let him eat games in the A while developing and keep the Monster.

Back ups are generally meant to augment the starter, not replace him outright.

Ok, let me ask you this. As a backup who do you think would win most games for us? Schrivens or Gustavsson?

As a total guess I'd say it could be pretty even, like it is now.

I would say Schrivens, and in order to do what we can to make the playoffs. I would use Schrivens as a backup, if he continues like this.

 

[Tigger]

Yeah and that's fair as an opinion but honestly I think Scrivens has more potential than Goose right now and I'd like to see him get as many games as possible for him to develop and come to terms with a starters role, which he won't get as a back up.

Still, this all points to the Leafs needing a starter.

 

[Stebro]

Yeah and that's fair as an opinion but honestly I think Scrivens has more potential than Goose right now and I'd like to see him get as many games as possible for him to develop and come to terms with a starters role, which he won't get as a back up.

Still, this all points to the Leafs needing a starter.

So basically what it comes down to is making the right priority. Should we focuse on the short term or long term?

 

[Tigger]

Yeah and that's fair as an opinion but honestly I think Scrivens has more potential than Goose right now and I'd like to see him get as many games as possible for him to develop and come to terms with a starters role, which he won't get as a back up.

Still, this all points to the Leafs needing a starter.

So basically what it comes down to is making the right priority. Should we focuse on the short term or long term?

Both, always. We impose our opinion of Wilson on him sometimes like it's the truth so it's hard for me to say if there's a 'win now' imperative or if he's more concerned with team development. I'd like to think he takes both of those in equal measure too but I honestly don't know for sure.

By his own words he has said he didn't think he would be the coach when the Leafs are successful so take that for what it is.

 

[ZBBM]

Well, unless Burke panics and goes out and signs Goalie X (quite possible, unfortunately) then there is really no reason not to give Gus the start on Saturday.  It doesn't really matter if Scrivens is "resilient" if he keeps giving up goals on the 1st shot of the game.

 

[Bender]

Well, unless Burke panics and goes out and signs Goalie X (quite possible, unfortunately) then there is really no reason not to give Gus the start on Saturday.  It doesn't really matter if Scrivens is "resilient" if he keeps giving up goals on the 1st shot of the game.

How does getting a goaltender that can stop pucks = panicking? Serious question. I know you've answered a bunch of times, but I just can't understand not bringing in better players if the team isn't playing well.

 

[Bender]

http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/nhl/article/1088895--dimanno-leafs-not-comfortable-putting-starting-load-on-monster-says-burke

I totally agree with Burke on this one.

"Burke is casting his eyes around the netminding flesh market, which is limited. ?We haven?t seen anything that fits, either in terms of the player or the price. I?m not paying a ransom. Ben Scrivens has played well enough. But at some point, as the manager, I have to say we can?t live like this anymore.?

 

[ZBBM]

Well, unless Burke panics and goes out and signs Goalie X (quite possible, unfortunately) then there is really no reason not to give Gus the start on Saturday.  It doesn't really matter if Scrivens is "resilient" if he keeps giving up goals on the 1st shot of the game.

How does getting a goaltender that can stop pucks = panicking? Serious question. I know you've answered a bunch of times, but I just can't understand not bringing in better players if the team isn't playing well.

Because it is more important to find out whether Gustavsson (and Reimer, if and when he comes back) can handle the goaltending duties over the course of the season than to run out and get a goalie that, assuredly, will not turn the Leafs into a contender, even if that addition alone were enough to get them into the playoffs.

I haven't read the article you linked in your second post, but if Burke is really giving up on Gustavsson when the guy is 4-4 and hasn't had more than, what, 3 starts in a row ... well, what does that tell you about his judgment as a manager when he went into the season with Reimer and Gus as his duo?  I just think it's ridiculous for Burke to write off Gustvasson without giving him more of a fair shot.  But all appearances are that he is.

Burke is, when you get down to it, pretty darn uneven as a manager. 

EDIT: All right, I just read the diManno piece.  Whatever you may think of her in general, she's got him dead to rights here.

 

[Bender]

Well, unless Burke panics and goes out and signs Goalie X (quite possible, unfortunately) then there is really no reason not to give Gus the start on Saturday.  It doesn't really matter if Scrivens is "resilient" if he keeps giving up goals on the 1st shot of the game.

How does getting a goaltender that can stop pucks = panicking? Serious question. I know you've answered a bunch of times, but I just can't understand not bringing in better players if the team isn't playing well.

Because it is more important to find out whether Gustavsson (and Reimer, if and when he comes back) can handle the goaltending duties over the course of the season than to run out and get a goalie that, assuredly, will not turn the Leafs into a contender, even if that addition alone were enough to get them into the playoffs.

I haven't read the article you linked in your second post, but if Burke is really giving up on Gustavsson when the guy is 4-4 and hasn't hand more than, what, 3 starts in a row ... well, what does that tell you about his judgment as a manager when he went into the season with Reimer and Gus as his duo?  I just think it's ridiculous for Burke to write off Gustvasson without giving him more of a fair shot.  But all appearances are that he is.

Burke is, when you get down to it, pretty darn uneven as a manager.

He can be uneven, but the Leafs know what they have in Gus imo, and like I said, I'm sure Allaire has advised Burke on the issue, Burke doesn't dictatorially call all the shots. Wilson has also probably advised Burke on the matter, and if Wilson thinks that Scrivens gives the Leafs the best chance to win right now, so be it. I don't subscribe to the idea that Wilson is an idiot or bad at coaching because Scrivens is in net.

I personally don't think Burke is off the mark here to be completely honest. You have to cut your losses sometime.

 

[Bender]

Well, unless Burke panics and goes out and signs Goalie X (quite possible, unfortunately) then there is really no reason not to give Gus the start on Saturday.  It doesn't really matter if Scrivens is "resilient" if he keeps giving up goals on the 1st shot of the game.

How does getting a goaltender that can stop pucks = panicking? Serious question. I know you've answered a bunch of times, but I just can't understand not bringing in better players if the team isn't playing well.

Because it is more important to find out whether Gustavsson (and Reimer, if and when he comes back) can handle the goaltending duties over the course of the season than to run out and get a goalie that, assuredly, will not turn the Leafs into a contender, even if that addition alone were enough to get them into the playoffs.

I haven't read the article you linked in your second post, but if Burke is really giving up on Gustavsson when the guy is 4-4 and hasn't had more than, what, 3 starts in a row ... well, what does that tell you about his judgment as a manager when he went into the season with Reimer and Gus as his duo?  I just think it's ridiculous for Burke to write off Gustvasson without giving him more of a fair shot.  But all appearances are that he is.

Burke is, when you get down to it, pretty darn uneven as a manager. 

EDIT: All right, I just read the diManno piece.  Whatever you may think of her in general, she's got him dead to rights here.

It was actually a very good article!

I don't think she's making a value judgment on Burke though, if that's what you mean. She's definitely right in stating he's guilty of some revisionist history, as Gus was definitely bantered about early on, but I don't think Burke ever though "Here's our starting goaltender" right off the bat. I think it was an attractive option that made a lot of sense at the time, they were swinging for the fences in a sense and hoping he would turn out, but I don't think he and the management ever thought they could put all their eggs in one basket in Gus.

 

[ZBBM]

Well, unless Burke panics and goes out and signs Goalie X (quite possible, unfortunately) then there is really no reason not to give Gus the start on Saturday.  It doesn't really matter if Scrivens is "resilient" if he keeps giving up goals on the 1st shot of the game.

How does getting a goaltender that can stop pucks = panicking? Serious question. I know you've answered a bunch of times, but I just can't understand not bringing in better players if the team isn't playing well.

Because it is more important to find out whether Gustavsson (and Reimer, if and when he comes back) can handle the goaltending duties over the course of the season than to run out and get a goalie that, assuredly, will not turn the Leafs into a contender, even if that addition alone were enough to get them into the playoffs.

I haven't read the article you linked in your second post, but if Burke is really giving up on Gustavsson when the guy is 4-4 and hasn't hand more than, what, 3 starts in a row ... well, what does that tell you about his judgment as a manager when he went into the season with Reimer and Gus as his duo?  I just think it's ridiculous for Burke to write off Gustvasson without giving him more of a fair shot.  But all appearances are that he is.

Burke is, when you get down to it, pretty darn uneven as a manager.

He can be uneven, but the Leafs know what they have in Gus imo, and like I said, I'm sure Allaire has advised Burke on the issue, Burke doesn't dictatorially call all the shots. Wilson has also probably advised Burke on the matter, and if Wilson thinks that Scrivens gives the Leafs the best chance to win right now, so be it. I don't subscribe to the idea that Wilson is an idiot or bad at coaching because Scrivens is in net.

I personally don't think Burke is off the mark here to be completely honest. You have to cut your losses sometime.

Would you at least agree that for Burke to claim that he never considered Gustavsson starter material is just absurd? 

Never mind, just saw your post above.  When I said she had dead to rights, I meant she called him out on lying.  ("Revisionist history," as you delicately put it.)

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Well, unless Burke panics and goes out and signs Goalie X (quite possible, unfortunately) then there is really no reason not to give Gus the start on Saturday.  It doesn't really matter if Scrivens is "resilient" if he keeps giving up goals on the 1st shot of the game.

How does getting a goaltender that can stop pucks = panicking? Serious question. I know you've answered a bunch of times, but I just can't understand not bringing in better players if the team isn't playing well.

Because it is more important to find out whether Gustavsson (and Reimer, if and when he comes back) can handle the goaltending duties over the course of the season than to run out and get a goalie that, assuredly, will not turn the Leafs into a contender, even if that addition alone were enough to get them into the playoffs.

I haven't read the article you linked in your second post, but if Burke is really giving up on Gustavsson when the guy is 4-4 and hasn't hand more than, what, 3 starts in a row ... well, what does that tell you about his judgment as a manager when he went into the season with Reimer and Gus as his duo?  I just think it's ridiculous for Burke to write off Gustvasson without giving him more of a fair shot.  But all appearances are that he is.

Burke is, when you get down to it, pretty darn uneven as a manager.

He can be uneven, but the Leafs know what they have in Gus imo, and like I said, I'm sure Allaire has advised Burke on the issue, Burke doesn't dictatorially call all the shots. Wilson has also probably advised Burke on the matter, and if Wilson thinks that Scrivens gives the Leafs the best chance to win right now, so be it. I don't subscribe to the idea that Wilson is an idiot or bad at coaching because Scrivens is in net.

I personally don't think Burke is off the mark here to be completely honest. You have to cut your losses sometime.

Would you at least agree that for Burke to claim that he never considered Gustavsson starter material is just absurd?

He said they never counted on him as a starter but hoped he could be one.  I think that's pretty fair.  I take that to mean they weren't going to rely on him definitely coming to the NHL and playing great, but that they felt he was worth the effort because of his potential.

I don't think the quotes show that he never considered him starter material, just that he didn't think it was a given.

 

[ZBBM]

Well, unless Burke panics and goes out and signs Goalie X (quite possible, unfortunately) then there is really no reason not to give Gus the start on Saturday.  It doesn't really matter if Scrivens is "resilient" if he keeps giving up goals on the 1st shot of the game.

How does getting a goaltender that can stop pucks = panicking? Serious question. I know you've answered a bunch of times, but I just can't understand not bringing in better players if the team isn't playing well.

Because it is more important to find out whether Gustavsson (and Reimer, if and when he comes back) can handle the goaltending duties over the course of the season than to run out and get a goalie that, assuredly, will not turn the Leafs into a contender, even if that addition alone were enough to get them into the playoffs.

I haven't read the article you linked in your second post, but if Burke is really giving up on Gustavsson when the guy is 4-4 and hasn't hand more than, what, 3 starts in a row ... well, what does that tell you about his judgment as a manager when he went into the season with Reimer and Gus as his duo?  I just think it's ridiculous for Burke to write off Gustvasson without giving him more of a fair shot.  But all appearances are that he is.

Burke is, when you get down to it, pretty darn uneven as a manager.

He can be uneven, but the Leafs know what they have in Gus imo, and like I said, I'm sure Allaire has advised Burke on the issue, Burke doesn't dictatorially call all the shots. Wilson has also probably advised Burke on the matter, and if Wilson thinks that Scrivens gives the Leafs the best chance to win right now, so be it. I don't subscribe to the idea that Wilson is an idiot or bad at coaching because Scrivens is in net.

I personally don't think Burke is off the mark here to be completely honest. You have to cut your losses sometime.

Would you at least agree that for Burke to claim that he never considered Gustavsson starter material is just absurd?

He said they never counted on him as a starter but hoped he could be one.  I think that's pretty fair.  I take that to mean they weren't going to rely on him definitely coming to the NHL and playing great, but that they felt he was worth the effort because of his potential.

I don't think the quotes show that he never considered him starter material, just that he didn't think it was a given.

Burke or whoever the hell takes ultimate responsibility for the team hasn't yet given him enough games to constitute a fair shot at proving he's a starter.  With Reimer out they have a perfect opportunity.  So, Burke, if you really meant "Well, we thought he might be a starter" then give him a chance to prove it now.  If you didn't, then don't BS Rosie DiManno and the rest of us.

That's my take on it.  A lot of people like to think of him as a straight shooter.  I have no idea why.  He's very good at faux-candor, I'll give him that.

 

[Tigger]

Burke also said he's counting on Jonas to play 30 games this year and has no plans to trade him, that's hardly writing him off or speaking ill of him.

Really, if Goose wants to be a starter he has to play better when given the opportunity, if he doesn't then I don't mind the Leafs having him as a back up. Scrivens needs work and Wilson might be having a think about his choice of words regarding Ben giving them the best chance to win after tonight.

 

[Arn]

Was Washington Gus's best game as a Leaf? Definitely his best in a long time. Question is, do you now start him v Carolina tomorrow in a game we probably should, but definitely would almost need to win?

 

[drummond]

Was Washington Gus's best game as a Leaf? Definitely his best in a long time. Question is, do you now start him v Carolina tomorrow in a game we probably should, but definitely would almost need to win?

Yes, keep the winning formula, simple as that

 

[Boston Leaf]

Id ride with him tomorrow at CArolina

 

[moon111]

I think Gustavsson played his own game.  Before he looked uncomfortable out there.  That goal he let in deflected twice, so can't blame him for that.