Justin Schultz

[Redleaf]

I saw Edmonton as the perfect fit since the beginning.  He can play big minutes, and grow alongside the other guys.  Makes too much sense.

Now, please don't let it be Ottawa. Don't want to deal with that right now.

Agreed on both parts. It might actually be fun seeing him on the high-flying Oilers.

It's getting really tiresome though, having EDM get all the best up and coming kids.

 

[Zee]

I said the team that drafted him, not the city they were located in.

Meant to quote the Quebec City post.

 

[bustaheims]

Schultz entered the draft willingly.

No, he didn't. Players don't opt into the draft into the NHL. Schultz entered the draft because he was a hockey player who was old enough to be drafted. The only choice he made in the matter was to play hockey.

 

[Kin]

There are professional associations all over the world that control the destinations of those that choose the profession.  It's part of the deal of getting into that profession.  These professional associations also control how many people can gain entry into the profession. 

The argument that somehow the NHL draft is an infringement of personal freedom is a little far fetched.  You want to play pro hockey with the opportunity to make millions of dollars?  Well the line starts here, and here's how we do things.

Right. And nothing that Schultz did exists outside of that agreement. Not signing a contract is part of the draft process. Your argument is that Schultz' actions reveal something questionable ethically or morally but there's nothing he did that in any way contravenes any obligation he had to anyone, be it legal or ethical.

Don't like it?  No problem, try the KHL, or start your own league...maybe try Subway, you can work at whichever franchise you choose.

Or, you know, don't sign with the team who drafts you and become a UFA in a couple of years. That's the option available to every single player.

Again, apparently the kid was soundly within his legal rights to do this.  I don't even have a problem with what he did.  I do, however, think that the person that pursues his career like this could perhaps have a character issue.

You can repeat that as many times as you want but until you actually outline what it is this potentially says about his character that you find troubling it's just meaningless mudslinging. He was in his rights to do it, he had no obligation to sign with the Ducks, there's no evidence he was less than forthright with them.

So what does this say about his character that strikes you as so bad? That he did something unconventional? That he valued his education? That he wants a say in where he lives and works?

Think of the investment as a draft pick being the currency by which talent is distributed in the NHL.  You buy a player's rights.  The player also has the right to refuse, and therefore using this currency to purchase a player that has no intention of being a productive contributing member of your organization would be a wasted investment, as you have a finite amount of draft picks.

Yes. That is not an investment in Justin Schultz. That benefits him in no way. That creates no moral obligation on Justin Schultz' part.

All those rights buy a team is an exclusive negotiating window. Justin Schultz heard their pitch, said no and here we are. What you're not establishing in any way, shape or form is the idea that a drafted player owes something to the team that drafted him.

 

[Zee]

Schultz is a primadonna. End of story.

 

[Kin]

I said the team that drafted him, not the city they were located in.

Meant to quote the Quebec City post.

So, Karma, the means by which bad deeds are punished, made it so Eric Lindros would be doomed to a career of millions of dollars, a Hart trophy and an Olympic Gold medal while getting to ply his trade in three of the nicer cities in North America? Karma seems to have a significantly worse number on the Nordiques than Lindros.

And, really, that's how it should be. Lindros let it be known well in advance he didn't want to play for the Nordiques. That whole situation was of their own creation.

 

[Zee]

I said the team that drafted him, not the city they were located in.

Meant to quote the Quebec City post.

So, Karma, the means by which bad deeds are punished, made it so Eric Lindros would be doomed to a career of millions of dollars, a Hart trophy and an Olympic Gold medal while getting to ply his trade in three of the nicer cities in North America? Karma seems to have a significantly worse number on the Nordiques than Lindros.

And, really, that's how it should be. Lindros let it be known well in advance he didn't want to play for the Nordiques. That whole situation was of their own creation.

Lindros's own book acknowledged he dreamt of winning the Stanley Cup which he never did. The trade from Quebec to Philly helped that team go on to win multiple cups thanks to Forsberg. That is karma. I'm sure Lindros wishes he had that Cup to his name.

 

[Kin]

Why even have a draft?  Like some have suggested lets just let all 18 year olds be free agents. Then it won't matter where you finish in the standings, no draft picks to trade, simplifies things!

Well, again, that is the way that sports conducted themselves for a long time and you rarely hear old timers say "Oh my god, remember those days of the original 6 when young players got to sign with whoever they wanted? What a terrible era of chaos and what crappy hockey it led to".

The draft benefits both owners and players. It institutes a cost control on young players and it also reduces the amount of talent on the market which makes the cost of free agents go up. Owners don't have to invest a ton of money into amateur players, veteran FA's don't have to compete with 18 year olds for the FA dollar and young players are under no obligation to sign with anyone. That's the way it works.

 

[bustaheims]

NHL_Oilers: The Edmonton Oilers have agreed to terms with Justin Schultz. More details to come.

Not much of a surprise, I guess.

 

[Sudafederov]

Oilers it is

Edmonton Oilers @NHL_Oilers
The Edmonton Oilers have agreed to terms with Justin Schultz. More details to come.

 

[maplesyrup]

Damien Cox ‏@DamoSpin
TOR tried hard on Schultz. Made a conditional deal last weekend to send 2nd rd pick to ANA for 24 hrs OF exclusive negotiating rights.

 

[Zee]

Yay it's over. Close thread.

 

[Kin]

Lindros's own book acknowledged he dreamt of winning the Stanley Cup which he never did.

Which makes him like every other hockey player who didn't win the Stanley Cup. What terrible sins did Mats Sundin or Wendel Clark commit that earned them the exact same fate?

If there is that grand design of the universe that rewards the good and punishes the bad, why did the Nordiques have to move? That seems like a bit of an oversight, no?

Or, you know, it's all nonsense and there is no universal force that concerns itself terribly with who wins hockey games.

 

[princedpw]

Darn.  The oilers need a goalie and some defensemen that can play defense.  They should be good soon.

 

[Kin]

NHL_Oilers: The Edmonton Oilers have agreed to terms with Justin Schultz. More details to come.

Not much of a surprise, I guess.

If he was looking for playing time and a lot of talent to play with...I mean what better choice could he have made? Sure makes the Yakupov pick look better in hindsight.

Also, you owe me donuts.

 

[Zee]

Darn.  The oilers need a goalie and some defensemen that can play defense.  They should be good soon.

We say that every year and every year they pick 1st. Time will tell.

 

[princedpw]

Lindros's own book acknowledged he dreamt of winning the Stanley Cup which he never did.

Which makes him like every other hockey player who didn't win the Stanley Cup. What terrible sins did Mats Sundin or Wendel Clark commit that earned them the exact same fate?

If there is that grand design of the universe that rewards the good and punishes the bad, why did the Nordiques have to move? That seems like a bit of an oversight, no?

Or, you know, it's all nonsense and there is no universal force that concerns itself terribly with who wins hockey games.

God is just a bad shot.  In other news, he/she decimated New Orleans to get back at the gays.  The fact he missed San Fran. was an accident.

 

[bustaheims]

Also, you owe me donuts.

I never agreed to that.

 

[maplesyrup]

Damien Cox ‏@DamoSpin
Leafs would have given up a second rounder to ANA if Schultz had been willing to sign last weekend. Was worth the gamble

 

[Hampreacher]

Scouts said knock on Schultz was his work ethic. I guess He wanted to go where he had a chance to play.