Kypreos: PK Subban traded to Nashville for Shea Weber

[Tigger]

I am surprised at how lopsided most seem to think this is.  Weber has declined THAT much?  Or is this all projection based on age.

10 years?

 

[KW Sluggo]

Bergevin is whistling past the graveyard now.

Weber is 3 years older than Subban and at age 30, that is when the decline often starts.

Chiarelli wins this trade because without it, he would be roasted on a spit and justifiably so.

Yeah, Subban obviously wasn't being made available for a forward.

My point was simply that absent this transaction, the hockey world would be giving its undivided scorn to the man who once traded Tyler and has now traded Taylor... and lost both trades. Now Chiarelli can share it with Bergevin.

 

[Bates]

10 years What?  That contract can be over at anytime in last 4 years.

I am surprised at how lopsided most seem to think this is.  Weber has declined THAT much?  Or is this all projection based on age.

10 years?

 

[Frank E]

10 years What?  That contract can be over at anytime in last 4 years.

I am surprised at how lopsided most seem to think this is.  Weber has declined THAT much?  Or is this all projection based on age.

10 years?

Yeah, you're right...he'd be playing for $3mil in 2022-23, and $1m for the next 3 years after that.

 

[Zee]

What an insane afternoon of hockey talk.

 

[Tigger]

10 years What?  That contract can be over at anytime in last 4 years.

I am surprised at how lopsided most seem to think this is.  Weber has declined THAT much?  Or is this all projection based on age.

10 years?

Yeah, you're right...he'd be playing for $3mil in 2022-23, and $1m for the next 3 years after that.

Not that the cap hit is the be all/end all in the equation, but those are years 36-40 with a hit of roughly 7.9?

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

10 years What?  That contract can be over at anytime in last 4 years.

I am surprised at how lopsided most seem to think this is.  Weber has declined THAT much?  Or is this all projection based on age.

10 years?

Yeah, you're right...he'd be playing for $3mil in 2022-23, and $1m for the next 3 years after that.

I'm pretty sure they'd be hit with a cap recapture penalty if he retires early.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I'm pretty sure they'd be hit with a cap recapture penalty if he retires early.

I'm sure someone will look into this eventually, but I think Nashville would get hit even harder since they're who benefited the most from the cap savings. I seem to remember that being a thing with Vancouver when Luongo was traded.

 

[princedpw]

With a cap hit of 7.9 and a salary of 1m, Weber could become an asset for a team that wants their payroll to sit below the minimum salary line.  Consequently, Montreal may be able to dump him in those later years if they want.

 

[Bates]

Isn't it the same as Vinny?

10 years What?  That contract can be over at anytime in last 4 years.

I am surprised at how lopsided most seem to think this is.  Weber has declined THAT much?  Or is this all projection based on age.

10 years?

Yeah, you're right...he'd be playing for $3mil in 2022-23, and $1m for the next 3 years after that.

I'm pretty sure they'd be hit with a cap recapture penalty if he retires early.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Isn't it the same as Vinny?

His contract was signed after the NHL put in certain rules against back-diving deals, so his isn't eligible for cap recapture penalties.

 

[Bates]

Thanks for info.  Boy could he puts the boots to Preds down The road!

Isn't it the same as Vinny?

His contract was signed after the NHL put in certain rules against back-diving deals, so his isn't eligible for cap recapture penalties.

 

[jonlleafs]

With a cap hit of 7.9 and a salary of 1m, Weber could become an asset for a team that wants their payroll to sit below the minimum salary line.  Consequently, Montreal may be able to dump him in those later years if they want.

Unless the new CBA circumvents this loophole

 

[LuncheonMeat]

I am surprised at how lopsided most seem to think this is.  Weber has declined THAT much?  Or is this all projection based on age.

He's not good at defense, not even in the way offensive defensemen can be good at defense.

Shot suppression is pretty good, though.

Edit: This deal still blows my mind a little. Ten more years!! Weber is a good player, but I have a feeling his decline will be fairly steep, and probably not all that far off.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I am surprised at how lopsided most seem to think this is.  Weber has declined THAT much?  Or is this all projection based on age.

He's not good at defense, not even in the way offensive defensemen can be good at defense.

Shot suppression is pretty good, though.

Think you read that chart wrong. The white colour is for the background, not the bar.

 

[bustaheims]

I am surprised at how lopsided most seem to think this is.  Weber has declined THAT much?  Or is this all projection based on age.

Age difference, contract length, etc. Weber's still good with the puck, but he's doesn't have as much left in the tank as Subban. Short-term, it's not a big deal (mostly because a healthy Price makes up for the difference in shot suppression), but long-term, Montreal gave up a lot.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

I am surprised at how lopsided most seem to think this is.  Weber has declined THAT much?  Or is this all projection based on age.

He's not good at defense, not even in the way offensive defensemen can be good at defense.

Shot suppression is pretty good, though.

Think you read that chart wrong. The white colour is for the background, not the bar.

I'm not crafting my sarcastic comments very well today. In my defence, my mother-in-law just left after a 4-day visit.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I'm not crafting my sarcastic comments very well today. In my defence, my mother-in-law just left after a 4-day visit.

Hah, fair enough, my bad.

 

[ZBBM]

I am surprised at how lopsided most seem to think this is.  Weber has declined THAT much?  Or is this all projection based on age.

Age difference, contract length, etc. Weber's still good with the puck, but he's doesn't have as much left in the tank as Subban. Short-term, it's not a big deal (mostly because a healthy Price makes up for the difference in shot suppression), but long-term, Montreal gave up a lot.

I mean, it's an obvious win for Poile, but unless you really think Bergevin is an idiot then you'd have to imagine there's some off-ice factors at play here that drove the deal.  (And no, I'm not suggesting racism among them.)

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I mean, it's an obvious win for Poile, but unless you really think Bergevin is an idiot then you'd have to imagine there's some off-ice factors at play here that drove the deal.  (And no, I'm not suggesting racism among them.)

But what if I do?