Leafs claim Frazer McLaren on waivers from San Jose
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GhostofPotvin29
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Carlyle loves McClement, so he's not going anywhere. Komarov lead in hits, so I highly doubt he is going anywhere. Frattin has been too good to take out, unless he really falls off a cliff in his play. Steckel who knows?
Redleaf
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Potvin29 said:
If the Bruins game was any indication of what to expect moving forward,with Carlyle's coaching and how he utilizes his players, especially the ones indicated above, I like the direction this team is headed. The only thing missing is a game breaking, go-to guy for offense. I think Frattin, and hopefully Kessel, can supply some of this, but we need more. Ultimately, a guy like Getzlaf would put this team over the hump and transform them into a perennial playoff team.
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RedLeaf said:
I think his 4th line continues to drag the team down. We need players on the 4th line that can actually play halfway decent hockey, not just be ogres on blades.
bakeapples
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I don't think a person's face is suppose to cave in like this:
http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2013/03/07/maple_leafs_frazer_mclaren_knockout_blow_leaves_sens_david_dziurzynski_acc_fans_stunned_feschuk.html
http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2013/03/07/maple_leafs_frazer_mclaren_knockout_blow_leaves_sens_david_dziurzynski_acc_fans_stunned_feschuk.html
It turned my stomach. They need to get rid of fighting, it's stupid. Hockey is the only sport that has it. Then just get the refs to come down hard on all the cheap shots and other crap that leads to the fights to begin with. Let's have a clean skill game like any sport should be.bakeapples said:
sickbeast said:
Clearly your new to the game. Hockey is not for the squeemish. it was a fight, they both will be in a dozen more before the season ends. and its been this way for over 100 yrs, and you want to change it, sorry but why change it if it ain't broke. I'll bet you wish you could turn the NFL into a touch football game as well.
Bullfrog
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nutman,
Personally, I support the removal of fighting from hockey. I'm not squeemish. I just appreciate skill over violence. I'm not even against fighting in hockey, but I am completely against fighting for its own sake. Look at Mike Brown's recent comments. He basically states he fights "when he feels it" and purely for an energy boost. He doesn't mention anything about protecting his teammates or retaliation for dirty play.
Having players in the league based purely on their ability to fight and intimidate is ridiculous.'
Are you oblivious to the concept of change and the fact that things are constantly evolving in the sport and in the NHL? Why shouldn't the role of fighting and its acceptance be subject to change or critical examination?
Personally, I support the removal of fighting from hockey. I'm not squeemish. I just appreciate skill over violence. I'm not even against fighting in hockey, but I am completely against fighting for its own sake. Look at Mike Brown's recent comments. He basically states he fights "when he feels it" and purely for an energy boost. He doesn't mention anything about protecting his teammates or retaliation for dirty play.
Having players in the league based purely on their ability to fight and intimidate is ridiculous.'
Are you oblivious to the concept of change and the fact that things are constantly evolving in the sport and in the NHL? Why shouldn't the role of fighting and its acceptance be subject to change or critical examination?
bustaheims
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Bullfrog said:
You're no longer dead to me. I agree wholeheartedly.
I firmly believe they will remove fighting soon. The NHL needs to be proactive about this and not reactive due to something that will leave a black mark on the game forever (player dying or suffering a debilitating injury).
I mean, highly educated people (not the Don Cherrys of the world) have been calling for this for years. You don't have to be a pacifist to realize that players are being exposed to serious injury in something that has absolutely zero to due with the natural flow of the game
Can you imagine a guy losing his livelihood (not just in the NHL) because he was given a lifelong injury in a hockey fight? All because of some "code" that came about by uneducated buffoons many decades ago? Am I in the minority that sees how utterly asinine and irresponsible this is?
That kid McLaren knocked out is someone's son/husband/father. I know some fans think these guys are robots but there are repercussions to that little "entertainment" these guys just gave you for 2 minutes. And one day one of these guys will suffer a life enduring repercussion because of it if they don't ban this idiotic practice soon.
You want to "police" the game better, increase suspensions and fines. Start hitting these guys hard in the pocket book and the dirty play will go away. Will cheap shots still happen? Of course they will, not everything can be avoided. Then you grow some balls and throw the book at the perpetrator.
I mean, highly educated people (not the Don Cherrys of the world) have been calling for this for years. You don't have to be a pacifist to realize that players are being exposed to serious injury in something that has absolutely zero to due with the natural flow of the game
Can you imagine a guy losing his livelihood (not just in the NHL) because he was given a lifelong injury in a hockey fight? All because of some "code" that came about by uneducated buffoons many decades ago? Am I in the minority that sees how utterly asinine and irresponsible this is?
That kid McLaren knocked out is someone's son/husband/father. I know some fans think these guys are robots but there are repercussions to that little "entertainment" these guys just gave you for 2 minutes. And one day one of these guys will suffer a life enduring repercussion because of it if they don't ban this idiotic practice soon.
You want to "police" the game better, increase suspensions and fines. Start hitting these guys hard in the pocket book and the dirty play will go away. Will cheap shots still happen? Of course they will, not everything can be avoided. Then you grow some balls and throw the book at the perpetrator.
bustaheims
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Bullfrog said:
Don't press your luck.
Optimus Reimer
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PG said:
I heard one fighter, not sure who it was, but he commented during an interview that the 'fighters' are fully aware of the dangers that comes with their role. They know the next fight they are in could be their last one, that the next game they are in, could be their last game, but they willingly accept that role because for most of them, they would not be in the NHL if they could not fight. As for fighting itself, most teams want at least one pugilist on their team to ensure the skilled players will have some protection, and being embedded in hockey since its enception, fighting will not disappear any time soon. Teammates like to see a good fight, so do most coaches, and the fans as well, so why eliminate something that most people like. It is just like boxing...two willing combatants willing to pummel and get pummelled. A boxer could die during a fight, or have permanent brain damage or other medical/physical problems years after, so maybe put a ban on boxing as well if we want to eliminate fighting in hockey.
It is sad to see when a player gets injured during a fight, but that is the risk the players take when they suit up for a game.
I think/hope we'll see something like what the OHL did with fighting this season. After 10 fights a player will be suspended for two games every time he drops the gloves. It's apparently been a success in the OHL, and the NHL is monitoring it. Last season 18 NHLers had over 10 fights, and I'd say probably about a half a dozen of those guys are legit (fourth line) NHLers.
Kin
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Optimus Reimer said:
Because for the league, at some point, it's going to just be a liability issue. It's all well and good for someone at 27 or 30 to say that they understand the risks of fighting but when they're in their 40's, not drawing an NHL paycheck and unable to remember their wife's name because of brain damage then they may have a different view about the risks and whether or not the league is responsible for their medical bills. The NFL is finding out right now in a big, big way that players consenting to the physical risks of the game by playing it doesn't stop them from suing them later on.
Nik said:
I agree with your point Nik, but what is to stop them from suing about a cross-check or a slash, or going head first in to the boards? Fighting is just one area of hockey where they can get injured.
In football, what is to stop a guy from suing because of a helmet to helmet collision?