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Lou Will Not Return

Nik the Trik said:
I can't help but wonder if Lou taking another job so quickly isn't maybe a sign that the transition here maybe wasn't as smooth as we'd like to think and if there maybe wasn't a bit more of a push out the door than the "orderly 3 year plan" might indicate. It seems like he certainly thinks he's still capable of running a team and you can't help but think he'd have wanted to see things through here.
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Do you think that there,s any chance that Lou with the Islanders could facilitate a trade with the Leafs to get the best out of a Taveras,who just might be leaving for free agency. Since he would know the Leafs depth of prospects.
My thinking is ,if that would be the case the Leafs would have to get rid of a bigger contract to make a Taveras fit.  Just can't think who that could be? 

Any chance for something like that or not?
 
jdh1 said:
Do you think that there,s any chance that Lou with the Islanders could facilitate a trade with the Leafs to get the best out of a Taveras,who just might be leaving for free agency. Since he would know the Leafs depth of prospects.
My thinking is ,if that would be the case the Leafs would have to get rid of a bigger contract to make a Taveras fit.  Just can't think who that could be? 

Any chance for something like that or not?
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Well, it's an interesting thought. If, for example, Tavares and his agent are allowed to talk to the Leafs and they say something like "We'll sign right now for 5 years and 55 million because John would like to play in Toronto but if we get to July 1st we're going to be taking bids and I can't promise anything" and if, again this is very hypothetical, Dubas and co. think an 11 million dollar Tavares is a good investment there might be a real incentive to try to make a move in order to keep him off the market.

I mean, just as an example...imagine if there's a move like Tavares' negotiating rights and either the 11th or 12th pick and an ok prospect or another pick for Kadri and the negotiating rights to JVR? You get some real value for Kadri(which could then be flipped around and used in an attempt to trade for a defenseman or a #3 C) and lock down Tavares. Meanwhile the Islanders aren't left holding the bag and can take a run at JVR.

I guess the main problem I see with it is two-fold. One, that seems like an odd position for Tavares and his agent to take. I think generally he'd either be all-in on signing somewhere or he'd want to make it to free agency and take bids. Second, and this is sort of related to what I said in the post you quote, I genuinely wonder if Lamoriello is in the mood to do Dubas any favours.
 
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
I don?t want to get drawn into a back in forth on this, but is the guy who called someone senile really playing the victim card here?

Dude, my reaction might have been over the top, but why aren?t you holding your hands up and admitting fault here? Is being right on the internet that important to you?

Never mind the fact your comments about Lou were in extremely bad taste, did it cross your mind that many of the posters here probably have older family members dealing with diminished mental faculties?

Your comment was uncalled for and insensitive and your subsequent attempt to play it off as tongue in cheek while you break out your victim schtick is pretty poor form.

Honestly, if you don?t like the place, you know where the door is.
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I really meant no offense by it and I do sincerely apologize if it was a bad joke.

And yes, I have generally stayed away from this place.  741 posts in 7 years.

You guys can say I play the victim card, but like I keep saying, I'm not the only one on here that notices the whole "clique" thing.  And it wasn't me that started the thread about it!
 
I also wonder if maybe there is a little back door dealing here. Lou moves to NY and suddenly he can talk to Tavares about signing in Toronto and it's not tampering.
 
Bill_Berg said:
I also wonder if maybe there is a little back door dealing here. Lou moves to NY and suddenly he can talk to Tavares about signing in Toronto and it's not tampering.
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Jet fuel can't melt Lou Lamoriello's cell phone.
 
sickbeast said:
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
I don?t want to get drawn into a back in forth on this, but is the guy who called someone senile really playing the victim card here?

Dude, my reaction might have been over the top, but why aren?t you holding your hands up and admitting fault here? Is being right on the internet that important to you?

Never mind the fact your comments about Lou were in extremely bad taste, did it cross your mind that many of the posters here probably have older family members dealing with diminished mental faculties?

Your comment was uncalled for and insensitive and your subsequent attempt to play it off as tongue in cheek while you break out your victim schtick is pretty poor form.

Honestly, if you don?t like the place, you know where the door is.
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I really meant no offense by it and I do sincerely apologize if it was a bad joke.

And yes, I have generally stayed away from this place.  741 posts in 7 years.

You guys can say I play the victim card, but like I keep saying, I'm not the only one on here that notices the whole "clique" thing.  And it wasn't me that started the thread about it!
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And yet, here you are still arguing about it. You got us bud. You really can?t stand this place.
The truth is, you hate it every time your opinion gets challenged. You?d rather exist in an echo chamber, where everyone reinforces your ultra original insights.
Now please spend the next 10 posts telling me how much you hate this place and it is a clique. Also please note my post count and tell me I am part of the clique too. The only clique I?m interested in, is rational intelligent debate. I?m sorry you can?t  be part of that clique.
 
Nik the Trik said:
I can't help but wonder if Lou taking another job so quickly isn't maybe a sign that the transition here maybe wasn't as smooth as we'd like to think and if there maybe wasn't a bit more of a push out the door than the "orderly 3 year plan" might indicate. It seems like he certainly thinks he's still capable of running a team and you can't help but think he'd have wanted to see things through here.
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I've been thinking about this too. In truth, that "push out the door" was my initial thought. Once it was announced that Lou was done as GM, but that there wasn't a successor in place, it seemed to me he was done because Shanahan wanted him done. Now, it may have simply been PR spin. But, in that case, I think it actually would have been better PR to announce his successor immediately rather than play the "this was the plan all along" card.

I have to assume that Shanahan was heavily leaning toward Dubas as the successor, even if he hadn't 100% made the decision yet. I hope, and also assume, that he must have considered that if Dubas took over, Lou and Hunter were moving on.

Regardless of ego or whatever might have been involved, that's a lot of talent and experience gone. I wonder what Dubas and Shanahan's plan is for filling those roles?
 
At a minimum, Fletcher was and Don Cherry is called senile over and over.  I'm not defending sickbeast's comment, but it's odd that it wasn't challenged before, but suddenly is now.
 
AvroArrow said:
At a minimum, Fletcher was and Don Cherry is called senile over and over.  I'm not defending sickbeast's comment, but it's odd that it wasn't challenged before, but suddenly is now.
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Thanks I appreciate that. I'm not surprised unfortunately. Sadly we're are up to at least six or seven people on here who are either complicit in the BS or are taking an active role in it.
 
I wonder if Leafs bring in an older experienced guy that Shanahan knows (Ron Francis) and then someone young and up and coming that Dubas knows (no idea who that would be).  Also Pridham might be in line for a promotion from just "capologist" (whatever the hell that means) to more duties as an assistant GM.  Interesting times in Leafs land!
 
Zee said:
I wonder if Leafs bring in an older experienced guy that Shanahan knows (Ron Francis) and then someone young and up and coming that Dubas knows (no idea who that would be).  Also Pridham might be in line for a promotion from just "capologist" (whatever the hell that means) to more duties as an assistant GM.  Interesting times in Leafs land!
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Yeah I could definitely see Pridham getting a promotion. Someone said he does way more for the Leafs than just working on cap stuff.

Jim Paliafito, who was a former OHL GM that the Leafs hired way back in 2015 and is currently the director of player evaluation, is someone else who I could definitely see getting a promotion. His name always comes up anytime a guy like Zaitsev or Borgman or Lindholm/Ozhiganov is brought in. I could see him stepping right into Hunter's role.
 
Zee said:
Director of hockey ops...I wonder if the Hunter timing means he's the new Islanders GM.
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I suppose that depends on what kind of "director" Lou will be. Is he going to be a defacto-GM or will he play the role like Shanny has?
 
CarltonTheBear said:
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/998933712304828416
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Martin for JT's negotiation rights, pls.
Or Ho-sang.

Probably both, actually. Everybody wins.
 
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