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Kessel Run
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Interesting Dreger says Vancouver wanted Scrivens and multiple, multiple draft picks at 2:30 for Luongo.
GhostofPotvin29
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Kessel Run said:
This made me laugh:
Kessel Run
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Potvin29 said:
haha and he just repeated this on the air.
pnjunction
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Potvin29 said:
Good. I wouldn't take that contract for free. We'd have to talk salary retention, and even then it's just sooo long.
Zee said:
Gillis tried to maintain in his PC that the contract had nothing to do with preventing a trade (which is absurd and contradicted by Luongo's PC). Then he went on to defend the contract claiming the CBA rules changed (which has some merit).
If there was no contract - he was about to become a UFA, does anyone here seriously believe that Luongo would still be a Canuck and not traded for something of value that would help the Canucks in their playoff run? Gillis is full of it and stupid to take the position he did because inevitably, the media will mock him.
Gillis claims to have discussed trading Luongo with five NHL teams. Would none of those GMS have brought up the idea of Vancouver eating some of the deal? I can't believe that none of them would.
If Gillis wants to move Luongo in the summer - which he HAS to do to clear cap space next season, now that he's been devalued as a .904 save% backup to Schneider, he'll have to eat some of that contract to get him moved.
If the chain of Gillis offers to Toronto near the deadline today report is true, and it wouldn't surprise me at all, it reveals his desperation. Gillis is screwed for next season's cap with Luongo and every other GM in the league knows it.
I will always wonder what they could have got for Schneider and if it would have been enough to elevate them to compete with Chicago/Anaheim, etc with Luongo remaining as their starter. The window of opportunity to win with the Sedins is closing.
cw said:
While I think keeping Schneider was the right move for the organization, I think Gillis has screwed the pooch on this one. This was his real last shot at moving him IMO. In the summer, teams know Gillis will need his contract off the books before the beginning of next season unless he unloads other contracts, but why would you do that? Just to accomodate an unwanted contract? Doesn't make sense. So really, Gillis will be left to use his only option which is to buy Luongo out. Basically, he'll end up getting nothing for him. Which would make me and probably most Leafs fans very happy.
Nik said:
Before the new CBA, that might have been justifiable. Now, with a .904 save% season as backup and the new terms of the new CBA, I couldn't justify it.
Sportsnet reported
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/spector-on-canucks-regrets-theyve-had-a-few/
In the end Gillis couldn?t even give Luongo to the Toronto Maple Leafs, reportedly offering Luongo for Ben Scrivens plus second- and third-round draft picks, and being rebuffed by Toronto GM Dave Nonis.
Scrivens plus a 2nd & 3rd is not "giving" Luongo to the Leafs but it's not exactly a King's ransom either. Once again, it's the contract that's the real problem.
But the above is a report from another media source (Sportsnet) that suggests the Canucks had dropped their demands.
ZBBM
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cw said:
I'll say it isn't. VAN is just going to have to get over the idea that they will get ANYTHING back for Luongo, for all the reasons you stated.
And I too would like to know more about the decision to go with Schneider over Luongo. Once they gave that contract to Luongo, they should have realized that they were never going to get out from under it. Who knows what they could have gotten for Schneider?
And as you said earlier, their chances of winning the Cup with the Sedins are beginning to fade rather quickly.
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Jalili
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I'm posting to say how sick I am of hearing about this sh*t.
My impression of Luongo is that he's been taken down a notch, not just from this trade talk but from everything that's happened to him since he became captain.
Vancouver has psychologically broken the guy.
I'll admit though, I was hoping the Leafs would pull the trigger for him during the summer.
My impression of Luongo is that he's been taken down a notch, not just from this trade talk but from everything that's happened to him since he became captain.
Vancouver has psychologically broken the guy.
I'll admit though, I was hoping the Leafs would pull the trigger for him during the summer.
After reflecting on this, when they called Luongo in off the ice prior to the deadline, Luongo said that he figured it was so that he could sign off on a deal - required with his no movement clause. Meanwhile, we have several reports of various offers made by Gillis to the Leafs.
I've got to wonder if Gillis really thought that Nonis would bite on his various pitches in the heat of the moment and wound up with a rather harsh reality check.
The other thought was during his press conference, Luongo said: ?I'd scrap (his contract) it if I could right now.? So I looked it up in the 2005 CBA (not the current CBA because we don't have that yet)
EXHIBIT 1 STANDARD PLAYER'S CONTRACT:
14. The Club may also terminate this SPC upon written notice to the Player (but only after obtaining Waivers from all other Clubs) if the Player shall at anytime:
(a) fail, refuse, or neglect to obey the Club's rules governing training and conduct of Players, if such failure, refusal or neglect should constitute a material breach of this SPC.
(b) fail, refuse or neglect to render his services hereunder or in any other manner materially breach this SPC.
In the event of termination under subsection (a) or (b) the Player shall only be entitled to compensation due to him to the earlier of the date such notice is delivered to him or the date of the mailing of such notice to his address as set out below his signature hereto.
In the event this SPC is terminated by the Club while the Player is "away" with the Club for the purpose of playing games the installment then falling due shall be paid on the first weekday after the return "home" of the Club.
So Luongo does have the power to "scrap" his contract. All he has to do is refuse to render his services. If he does, the Canucks can put him on waivers and if no one takes on the Luongo contract - which is unlikely in my opinion, he's out of his contract as are the Canucks.
All it costs Luongo is about $40 million .... offset some by whatever another NHL team would sign him for. So to some extent, I question "I'd scrap it if I could" though with $40 mil on the line, I can't say I'd blame him heavily for not scrapping it.
I've got to wonder if Gillis really thought that Nonis would bite on his various pitches in the heat of the moment and wound up with a rather harsh reality check.
The other thought was during his press conference, Luongo said: ?I'd scrap (his contract) it if I could right now.? So I looked it up in the 2005 CBA (not the current CBA because we don't have that yet)
EXHIBIT 1 STANDARD PLAYER'S CONTRACT:
14. The Club may also terminate this SPC upon written notice to the Player (but only after obtaining Waivers from all other Clubs) if the Player shall at anytime:
(a) fail, refuse, or neglect to obey the Club's rules governing training and conduct of Players, if such failure, refusal or neglect should constitute a material breach of this SPC.
(b) fail, refuse or neglect to render his services hereunder or in any other manner materially breach this SPC.
In the event of termination under subsection (a) or (b) the Player shall only be entitled to compensation due to him to the earlier of the date such notice is delivered to him or the date of the mailing of such notice to his address as set out below his signature hereto.
In the event this SPC is terminated by the Club while the Player is "away" with the Club for the purpose of playing games the installment then falling due shall be paid on the first weekday after the return "home" of the Club.
So Luongo does have the power to "scrap" his contract. All he has to do is refuse to render his services. If he does, the Canucks can put him on waivers and if no one takes on the Luongo contract - which is unlikely in my opinion, he's out of his contract as are the Canucks.
All it costs Luongo is about $40 million .... offset some by whatever another NHL team would sign him for. So to some extent, I question "I'd scrap it if I could" though with $40 mil on the line, I can't say I'd blame him heavily for not scrapping it.
Yeah guys like Redden, Souray, and Finger could have just not reported to their AHL teams when they were waived, but chose the money over playing NHL hockey. And I don't blame them.
GhostofPotvin29
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Must say, my opinion of the guy has changed completely after this whole thing started and he began to give everyone a glimpse into his actual personality. Comes across as a very genuine, straightforward person - which isn't always easy to find in the robotic responses of the sports world. While I don't feel "bad" about him making millions, I do feel bad that he might not get to play as much as he should when he clearly wants to badly.
It's funny how social media (Lu's twitter and Tim Thomas' facebook posts) have completely changed the public perception of those two players. Especially since their playoff series and the whole tires thing.
