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Marlies Talk 14/15 | aka What's Nylander up to?

Nik the Trik said:
L K said:
I think Detroit waits too long with their prospects but there is a very nice middle ground that the Leafs could significantly benefit from if they remain patient with guys and let them master the lower leagues before they throw them to the wolves in the NHL.
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What do you suppose that middle ground is? I agree that waiting until they're 24 or so as Detroit sometimes does is probably too long but that's not hard and fast with Detroit. They typically make players regulars at 22 or 23. Likewise you look at the Marlies, the guys on that team with legitimate chances of becoming everyday NHLers are almost certainly not going to do it before they're 22 or 23 with the exception of Nylander.

I only ask because I remember the last time I got into a discussion about Holland's use of prospects and someone quoted him as saying that if he had a top 10 or top 5 pick he probably wouldn't keep them in the minors for very long either.
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Is it a cop out if I say "I don't know"?  I get the argument that if Detroit was worse off from an NHL success level that they would probably have better draft picks that are expected to make the jump sooner but I just can't shake that they usually have a handful of guys, especially on defense who seem like they could have been making an NHL impact a year or two earlier if they were in another organization.  It's not to say that Detroit is wrong in how they have been doing things because overall they have had a long stretch of decent success with periods of reaching the peak of professional hockey.

I just think there is a medium ground of a year or even half a season sooner that could be employed but that's certainly not exact.
 
L K said:
Is it a cop out if I say "I don't know"?  I get the argument that if Detroit was worse off from an NHL success level that they would probably have better draft picks that are expected to make the jump sooner but I just can't shake that they usually have a handful of guys, especially on defense who seem like they could have been making an NHL impact a year or two earlier if they were in another organization.  It's not to say that Detroit is wrong in how they have been doing things because overall they have had a long stretch of decent success with periods of reaching the peak of professional hockey.

I just think there is a medium ground of a year or even half a season sooner that could be employed but that's certainly not exact.
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No, I don't think it's a cop-out at all because like I said I don't know either and I think the basic premise that Detroit seems better at developing their second and third round picks is a solid one. I just ask because every time I try to put my finger on why that is I don't come away with anything that seems to really fit.

Looking over the numbers I agree that Detroit maybe seems as though they tend to come down on the later side of the 22/23 divide and they tend not to do what, say, the Leafs did with someone like Kadri where they gave him 50 or so NHL games over a couple seasons before they were ready but that strikes me as an unsatisfying answer because:

A) it's not universally true
B) I don't know that an extra few months in the AHL should make that much of a difference
C) Kadri still turned out to be a pretty good player

But like you say, it's not exact.
 
Marlies are 5 behind with 3 games in hand on 8th.

Personally I think the Leafs should send all the Marlies back, let them ice their strongest team, a playoff run would be a good development experience for them.

Call up fringe guys from the Marlies or Solar Bears to fill out the Maple Leafs team.
 
Patrick said:
Marlies are 5 behind with 3 games in hand on 8th.

Personally I think the Leafs should send all the Marlies back, let them ice their strongest team, a playoff run would be a good development experience for them.

Call up fringe guys from the Marlies or Solar Bears to fill out the Maple Leafs team.
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They sent Brennan down for MacWilliam, which is good as their last loss saw them go 0-for-5 on the powerplay (although Brennan isn't really putting up points for the Marlies so far). There's no one else that they can send down though.
 
Patrick said:
Do the other guys with the Leafs have to clear waivers?
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Eligibility rules. The AHL has changed their rules around playoff eligibility recently (no more Clear Day lists), but a player still needs to be on a AHL roster during the NHL trade deadline to be eligible to play. Guys like Smith and Kozun weren't sent down, so they're stuck here. I'm not entirely sure why Kozun wasn't send down but I'm sure management had their reasons.
 
Boston Leaf said:
If Marlies make playoffs. Who starts in goal? Do they ride Gibson unless he falters bad?
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Bibeau hasn't been the better goalie in the new year.  Since January he has a stat line of .909 SV%
Gibson has a .925 SV%
 
Missed the link to the whole interview with Dubas, but here's more than just the excerpts I posted earlier in the thread.  For example, Dubas talks about how they plan to use the ECHL team:

When it comes to developing future talent, the Toronto Maple Leafs plan to take an approach usually only seen in baseball.

Major League Baseball clubs, for years, have had up to six minor-league affiliates at different levels for their prospects to work their way up through, while NHL teams have typically only used one? the American Hockey League.

That is changing, however, for Toronto as it plans to maximize the ECHL as a place where its players are sent to be developed and introduced to pro hockey, not just cast away.

?I think the perception of the ECHL is that the player is going there for punishment or he?s really struggled,? said Leafs assistant general manager Kyle Dubas.

?We want to use it as entry level to pro hockey for younger players to start out there.?

In the past, sending a player down to the ECHL didn?t bode well for his future. Often the player was seen as already been given up on or not having a future in the NHL.

Dubas hopes with time that train of thought can be altered.

?It?s a slow change,? said Dubas. ?We would like to have it where first-year players start in Orlando and graduate to the Marlies and then to the Leafs. That?s going to take time for the buy in and the mindset for how people view pro hockey.
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http://kylethereporter.com/2015/04/02/kyle-dubas-leafs-taking-a-baseball-approach-to-expanding-their-minor-league-system/
 
Marlies win 7-4

According to AHL.com, I'm not sure when it was updated, they are 2 back of 8th with 1 game in hand.

Big nights for a few guys:

TJ Brennan - 1g 3a
Frattin - 2g 2a
Leipsic - 3g
Froese - 3a
Nylander - 1g 1a
Leivo - 2a
 
Patrick said:
According to AHL.com, I'm not sure when it was updated, they are 2 back of 8th with 1 game in hand.
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2 back of 8th with 2 games in hand. They have 4 games left, and one of those is against Milwaukee, the team currently in 8th.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Patrick said:
According to AHL.com, I'm not sure when it was updated, they are 2 back of 8th with 1 game in hand.
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2 back of 8th with 2 games in hand. They have 4 games left, and one of those is against Milwaukee, the team currently in 8th.
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Yeah, I think other games where still being played when I posted, so that makes sense.
 
this from PPP:  "Speaking of Nylander, the Flames kept taking penalties, and two powerplays later, young Snizzbone took advantage, stickhandling his way into hashmark range and ripping a wrister to give the Marlies an unlikely 3-0 lead".

Since when has Nylander been referred to as "Snizzbone".  What is a Snizzbone anyway?
 
Patrick said:
http://video.mapleleafs.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=803132&catid=802

Highlights of the game, Brown and Nylander made some real pretty plays.
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Nylander looks bored out there; like he's playing with his nephews or something. Damn he's good.
 
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