hockeyfan1
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Let the rebuild begin! First the personnel, then the players (though that part will be easier said than done).
Nonis, Horachek and assistants fired
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Peter D.
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This is great. Feel bad for a guy like Spott, but ridding everyone in one fell swoop needed to be done.
Thrilled that the scouting department is getting purged. Really hope those in the amateur department pass on their notes and thoughts in the next month or two leading up to the draft, then Morrison and Co. finally get dropped like a bad habit. Below average track record far too long. Time for new blood.
Thrilled that the scouting department is getting purged. Really hope those in the amateur department pass on their notes and thoughts in the next month or two leading up to the draft, then Morrison and Co. finally get dropped like a bad habit. Below average track record far too long. Time for new blood.
mr grieves
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Peter D. said:
I saw the below, which struck me as unexpected/interesting:
hockeyfan1
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Randy's revenge...
hockeyfan1
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As per the Twitterati...
Karmen Samra @KSamra92
You know it's been a depressing season when the highlight of the year is when Nonis & Horachek are fired.
Heavy Early @schocker17
Not that he didn?t deserved to get fired, but I can?t help but feel bad for Horachek. He was handed grenade without a pin.
Ryan Stewart @Ryfostew
Have to feel for Horachek at least a little. Steps in as Captain of the Titanic with the iceberg 10 feet away, then fired because it sank.
Read all about it here:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/twitter-reaction-maple-leafs-fire-nonis-horachek/
Karmen Samra @KSamra92
You know it's been a depressing season when the highlight of the year is when Nonis & Horachek are fired.
Heavy Early @schocker17
Not that he didn?t deserved to get fired, but I can?t help but feel bad for Horachek. He was handed grenade without a pin.
Ryan Stewart @Ryfostew
Have to feel for Horachek at least a little. Steps in as Captain of the Titanic with the iceberg 10 feet away, then fired because it sank.
Read all about it here:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/twitter-reaction-maple-leafs-fire-nonis-horachek/
Didn't they fire the coaching staff last year? I mean it had to be done, but does anybody truly believe its the coaching staff's fault?
And how many times have we heard that the scouting department has been revamped? Why does Morrison still have a job?
I remember the look on Nonis' face when Burke was fired. It was a look of horror!. That poor bastard knew that this team was cursed.
Year one of Shanahan's reign gets him an 'F'. He should thank God it was his first and he can blame it on everyone else.
And how many times have we heard that the scouting department has been revamped? Why does Morrison still have a job?
I remember the look on Nonis' face when Burke was fired. It was a look of horror!. That poor bastard knew that this team was cursed.
Year one of Shanahan's reign gets him an 'F'. He should thank God it was his first and he can blame it on everyone else.
louisstamos
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Pick said:
For starters...
Peter D. said:
The Leafs amateur drafting has been pretty good. It's their pro scouting that leaves a bit to be desired...
louisstamos said:
1,594 of those games (about 63%) came from a single draft though, 2006. And that was before Morrison was the director of amateur scouting (he was promoted in the summer of 2006).
GhostofPotvin29
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One of the names that has been thrown out there that is intriguing (and by thrown out there I mean it's just been mentioned by reporters, not linked to the Leafs yet) is LA's assistant GM, Mike Futa.
Britishbulldog
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cabber24 said:
I was thinking that Shanahan has signed June 11th, 2014th. Which players were signed after that? I must be missing something.
Pick said:
I agree -- an aggregate stat like that does not mean much. Such a stat is going to be heavily skewed by the number of 1st round picks a team has had in that time period and where those picks sit.
I'd be interested in seeing
average # of games played per 2nd and 3rd rnd pick
or something like that.
I'd also be interested in seeing some kind of statistical test that tried to investigate whether or not there are statistically significant differences between scouting teams. It wouldn't surprise me very much if drafting success in the later rounds was basically random.
Someone looked at Morrison's track record and compared it to some statistical work that's been done on the likelihood of draft picks becoming NHLers. You can find it here: http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2015/2/24/8064807/examining-dave-morrison-toronto-maple-leafs-draft-record-results
The conclusion was this:
The overall quality of the Leafs picks during Dave Morrison's era definitely suffers due to the volume of high picks traded away during his tenure. However, even when accounting for this fact his results have frequently not met expectations.
Going by cumulative games played in the NHL to validate the drafting record is a red herring, as it suffers from survivorship bias. Based on a consistent threshold that represents a player making the NHL, Morrison has not produced NHLers at the rate that would be expected of him.
The data examined covered a period of time with 2 different General Managers and 3 different strategies for acquiring talent, and it's not entirely clear the level of Morrison's involvement in leading the draft that unfortunately happens to be the most successful over that period. To say that his performance is negatively influenced by the message from his superiors doesn't seem to hold up to scrutiny.
I think that criticism of Morrison's work is more than fair. Since 2007 the only NHLers his drafts have produced have been Hayes, Frattin, Gunnarsson, Kadri, Schenn, and Rielly. 3 of those guys were top-10 draft picks, I'm not really going to build anybody a statue for making picks there. And Gunnarsson was your prototypical Bergman pick. Obviously the jury is still out on a handful of guys from recent years but aside from Nylander none of them are guaranteed NHLers, especially at the impact level. His record from 2007-2010 is pretty meh, and 2011 is hinging on Percy and Leivo who still aren't sure-things.
The conclusion was this:
The overall quality of the Leafs picks during Dave Morrison's era definitely suffers due to the volume of high picks traded away during his tenure. However, even when accounting for this fact his results have frequently not met expectations.
Going by cumulative games played in the NHL to validate the drafting record is a red herring, as it suffers from survivorship bias. Based on a consistent threshold that represents a player making the NHL, Morrison has not produced NHLers at the rate that would be expected of him.
The data examined covered a period of time with 2 different General Managers and 3 different strategies for acquiring talent, and it's not entirely clear the level of Morrison's involvement in leading the draft that unfortunately happens to be the most successful over that period. To say that his performance is negatively influenced by the message from his superiors doesn't seem to hold up to scrutiny.
I think that criticism of Morrison's work is more than fair. Since 2007 the only NHLers his drafts have produced have been Hayes, Frattin, Gunnarsson, Kadri, Schenn, and Rielly. 3 of those guys were top-10 draft picks, I'm not really going to build anybody a statue for making picks there. And Gunnarsson was your prototypical Bergman pick. Obviously the jury is still out on a handful of guys from recent years but aside from Nylander none of them are guaranteed NHLers, especially at the impact level. His record from 2007-2010 is pretty meh, and 2011 is hinging on Percy and Leivo who still aren't sure-things.