Nonis using depth to go shopping....

[maplesyrup]

How about St.Louis?  Reading their message boards a lot of fans seem to be preparing for them to deal a forward or two for a defenceman.  A name that a lot of them appear to be discussing is TJ Oshie.

I would guess Burke would be interested there but the problem is they would probably want Schenn in return.  He's a fan favourite there.

Either way, looks like a lot of Blues fans are bracing for a possible Oshie trade this year.

I like Oshie (though he burned me in my fantasy league last year) but yeah, he won't come cheap... I mentioned Perron some time ago who might come cheaper with the concussion concern and we know Burke dosn't ming gambling....

Oshie has his own injury concerns.  I don't know how many roster spots you want to gamble on guys who have a history of injuries (we have Connolly and Lombardi already).

Oshie was just recently benched. I suppose Schenn isn't fairing much better here as his ice time is getting cut but I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with a straight swap of these two guys.

 

[Kin]

Oshie has his own injury concerns.  I don't know how many roster spots you want to gamble on guys who have a history of injuries (we have Connolly and Lombardi already).

Is Oshie a guy who even represents a specific upgrade? Or does he come in and serve as the team's 4th #2 centre?

 

[maplesyrup]

Oshie has his own injury concerns.  I don't know how many roster spots you want to gamble on guys who have a history of injuries (we have Connolly and Lombardi already).

Is Oshie a guy who even represents a specific upgrade? Or does he come in and serve as the team's 4th #2 centre?

LW... At lest he started the year there with Berglund and Stewart.

 

[Erndog]

Oshie has his own injury concerns.  I don't know how many roster spots you want to gamble on guys who have a history of injuries (we have Connolly and Lombardi already).

Is Oshie a guy who even represents a specific upgrade? Or does he come in and serve as the team's 4th #2 centre?

LW... At lest he started the year there with Berglund and Stewart.

Well, he's versatile.  He can play center or wing and flip flops quite a bit if I recall correctly.

I think he would almost certainly be an upgrade over Bozak and/or Lombardi.  Possibly Connolly depending on injuries, chemsitry and such but I see what Nik is saying. 

 

[Kin]

LW... At lest he started the year there with Berglund and Stewart.

He's listed as a C with the Blues but that doesn't mean much.

Anyways, the question is no less valid as a LW. Does he come in and supplant Lupul? Or is he a 3rd liner as the team exists?

 

[maplesyrup]

LW... At lest he started the year there with Berglund and Stewart.

He's listed as a C with the Blues but that doesn't mean much.

Anyways, the question is no less valid as a LW. Does he come in and supplant Lupul? Or is he a 3rd liner as the team exists?

I like Oshie better than Mac but the way Lupul is going with Kessel right now, I'm not sure I want to screw with that. Oshie might wind up the better of the three LWers but today, yeah, it doesn't help us all that much unless you were able to in turn, spin Mac off for something.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

I think that's where you lose me. I agree that it's a possibility that Turris wants out of Phoenix but I don't know that anything really points to it. Making outlandish salary demands could just be indicative of him having a false sense of his own worth. If he desperately wanted out of there he could say that.

Well, talk to Elliotte Friedman, he's the one that says that after he talked to people around the league, he believes that...

Coyotes Don Maloney re-iterated that he won?t trade Kyle Turris, and that if he wants to play this year, he be playing in Phoenix. After Friedman talked to a few people, it sounds like ?Turris wants to be traded.?  Another GM says he?d sign a reasonable contract with another team. The Coyotes would match any reasonable contracts.

 

[Kin]

Well, talk to Elliotte Friedman, he's the one that says that after he talked to people around the league, he believes that...

Like I said, I saw the Hotstove. I'd still hesitate to say that indicates that "all things" point to Turris wanting out.

Although, if we're looking to take one thing away from that article I'd say it's much stronger on saying that Maloney won't trade Turris which renders it moot anyway.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Although, if we're looking to take one thing away from that article I'd say it's much stronger on saying that Maloney won't trade Turris which renders it moot anyway.

It doesn't render anything moot, it simply says that Maloney doesn't want to be strong armed. But you keep believing that Turris is just that greedy and delusional and that he doesn't have realistic advice from his agent. I'm fine with that, but I'll keep believing that Kyle Turris wants out of Phoenix.

 

[Erndog]

And Mike Brown was adament he wasn't going to trade Carson Palmer.

 

[Pucken Chronic]

As long as Wilson seems to not trust Kadri at all does he get thrown into a package with say a Franson and maybe a prospect/draft pick/Bozak for a real first line C?

 

[Erndog]

As long as Wilson seems to not trust Kadri at all does he get thrown into a package with say a Franson and maybe a prospect/draft pick/Bozak for a real first line C?

But CAN a package of Kadri + Franson + prospect/pick get a first line C?

I'm talking in the E.Staal/Getzlaf/Spezza/Richards/Kopitar mold.

I don't think so.

 

[Kin]

It doesn't render anything moot, it simply says that Maloney doesn't want to be strong armed.

I'd say Maloney not trading Turris makes the issue of trading for Turris moot but, well, differences abound.

But you keep believing that Turris is just that greedy and delusional and that he doesn't have realistic advice from his agent. I'm fine with that, but I'll keep believing that Kyle Turris wants out of Phoenix.

I don't know why you feel compelled to make everything so black and white. I said that both possibilities exist and that we don't know enough about what Turris wants. Heck, it doesn't even have to be one or the other. He could want too much money and he could want out. Wanting out could be a consequence of having his salary demands refused.

 

[Tigger]

Kyle Turris and Kurt Overhardt are on glue if they think he can get 4m a year with his accomplishments so far.

I don't think they're glueheads either.

That doesn't mean much in the way of imposing an agenda on their behavior but it is a little telling to me.

I don't put a lot of stock in the gm's reaction either, if a good deal came along I'm fairly sure he'd move him but until then probably feels he needs to be strong on the point to avoid engendering a different impression/perception of him.

 

[Erndog]

It doesn't render anything moot, it simply says that Maloney doesn't want to be strong armed.

I'd say Maloney not trading Turris makes the issue of trading for Turris moot but, well, differences abound.

Again, Cincy was pretty adament they weren't going to trade Carson Palmer.  That didn't even last a year.

If a deal comes around that makes sense, Maloney will make it.  He's not going to publicly come out and say, "fine, he doesn't want to play here, I'm listening."  That doesn't put him in a very good position now does it?

 

[Kin]

Kyle Turris and Kurt Overhardt are on glue if they think he can get 4m a year with his accomplishments so far.

I don't think they're glueheads either.

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that 4 million per figure is another thing coming from unnamed third party sources.

Either way though, if the idea is that Turris wants out of Phoenix under any circumstances in what way is that aided by naming an outrageously high figure vs. just saying that?

 

[Kin]

Again, Cincy was pretty adament they weren't going to trade Carson Palmer.  That didn't even last a year.

You're kind of misreading what I'm saying here. I'm saying the Friedman article isn't terrible definite on Turris and far more definite on Maloney.

 

[Pucken Chronic]

As long as Wilson seems to not trust Kadri at all does he get thrown into a package with say a Franson and maybe a prospect/draft pick/Bozak for a real first line C?

But CAN a package of Kadri + Franson + prospect/pick get a first line C?

I'm talking in the E.Staal/Getzlaf/Spezza/Richards/Kopitar mold.

I don't think so.

That's what I'm wondering. Franson is supposed to have all this upside, Kadri has played maybe 30 NHL games in 4 years also supposedly with wads of upside, Bozak I think is horribly underated here because he was forced into a #1 C when he clearly shouldn't have been in that situation. I like and believe in all three but Wilson seems to have no time for Franson or Kadri. I believe with just those 2 alone we should be able to upgrade over a Lombardi or Connolly. Nothing against either but, they ain't #1's in my opinion and both are injury prone. Hell, throw one of 'em in as well.

 

[Tigger]

Kyle Turris and Kurt Overhardt are on glue if they think he can get 4m a year with his accomplishments so far.

I don't think they're glueheads either.

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that 4 million per figure is another thing coming from unnamed third party sources.

Either way though, if the idea is that Turris wants out of Phoenix under any circumstances in what way is that aided by naming an outrageously high figure vs. just saying that?

Fair enough, it's a speculative number as well. For me the difference is again one of perception. Players who outright call for a trade through the media go down in the character department, a 'soft' stat if you will.

It may not be an outright aid but it may foster some respect down the road? I'm projecting here, certainly.

 

[Kin]

Fair enough, it's a speculative number as well. For me the difference is again one of perception. Players who outright call for a trade through the media go down in the character department, a 'soft' stat if you will.

I think that's true in some cases but a lot less so in the case of a RFA. All Turris would be saying is that he has no interest of signing with Phoenix. That's not exactly the same as demanding a trade.

Although even then, he wouldn't have to do it "through the media". He'd just have to make it clear to Maloney that he wouldn't be re-signing.

edit: also, I mean, like you say it's not like his reported salary demands don't have him taking a hit in the character department anyway.

It may not be an outright aid but it may foster some respect down the road? I'm projecting here, certainly.

I'm just saying that if I'm Maloney and I hear that Turris wants a number I'm not prepared to give him then it's more or less a negotiation no different from any other contract negotiation where I hope I can get him down to an acceptable range. Being told in no uncertain terms that he wanted out would probably get me a little more motivated to look into a trade before it got into the media and people knew I was behind the 8 ball.