There's no way Detroit is moving Mantha.
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CarltonTheBear said:There's no way Detroit is moving Mantha.
L K said:CarltonTheBear said:There's no way Detroit is moving Mantha.
At the same time, his rookie season in the AHL this year is somewhat unimpressive. 23 points in 45 games.
CarltonTheBear said:L K said:CarltonTheBear said:There's no way Detroit is moving Mantha.
At the same time, his rookie season in the AHL this year is somewhat unimpressive. 23 points in 45 games.
This is Detroit we're talking about though, they probably don't expect him to be a NHLer until he's like 26. I don't think that they'll let his rookie season in the AHL change how they view him.
Patrick said:JVR-Kadri-Panik
Komarov-Holland-Frattin
Leivo-Nylander-Brown
Sill-Carrick-Kozun
Reilly-Polak
Gardiner-Robidas
Percy-Erixon
Bernier or Reimer
Gibson
AvroArrow said:Patrick said:JVR-Kadri-Panik
Komarov-Holland-Frattin
Leivo-Nylander-Brown
Sill-Carrick-Kozun
Reilly-Polak
Gardiner-Robidas
Percy-Erixon
Bernier or Reimer
Gibson
Frankly, I wouldn't keep JvR around either. I like him and his contract is gold, but it won't be gold by the time we're contending again, so sell high for some key picks/prospects.
AvroArrow said:Patrick said:JVR-Kadri-Panik
Komarov-Holland-Frattin
Leivo-Nylander-Brown
Sill-Carrick-Kozun
Reilly-Polak
Gardiner-Robidas
Percy-Erixon
Bernier or Reimer
Gibson
Frankly, I wouldn't keep JvR around either. I like him and his contract is gold, but it won't be gold by the time we're contending again, so sell high for some key picks/prospects.
Patrick said:AvroArrow said:Frankly, I wouldn't keep JvR around either. I like him and his contract is gold, but it won't be gold by the time we're contending again, so sell high for some key picks/prospects.
I thought of that, he's only a year older than Kadri and Gardiner, I think if you move him you probably have to move the other two.
I also think Edmonton has shown that you can't really have a complete blank slate and just add some great prospects, you have to have a decent framework to build around.
With that in mind, I think having guys who will be approaching their late twenties when the rebuild starts to bear fruit isn't a terrible idea.
AvroArrow said:Patrick said:AvroArrow said:Frankly, I wouldn't keep JvR around either. I like him and his contract is gold, but it won't be gold by the time we're contending again, so sell high for some key picks/prospects.
I thought of that, he's only a year older than Kadri and Gardiner, I think if you move him you probably have to move the other two.
I also think Edmonton has shown that you can't really have a complete blank slate and just add some great prospects, you have to have a decent framework to build around.
With that in mind, I think having guys who will be approaching their late twenties when the rebuild starts to bear fruit isn't a terrible idea.
I hear what you're saying, but I think the leafs can buy that in free agency. The haul we could get from JvR would be worth it.
Patrick said:AvroArrow said:Frankly, I wouldn't keep JvR around either. I like him and his contract is gold, but it won't be gold by the time we're contending again, so sell high for some key picks/prospects.
I thought of that, he's only a year older than Kadri and Gardiner, I think if you move him you probably have to move the other two.
I also think Edmonton has shown that you can't really have a complete blank slate and just add some great prospects, you have to have a decent framework to build around.
With that in mind, I think having guys who will be approaching their late twenties when the rebuild starts to bear fruit isn't a terrible idea.
Patrick said:I agree that he'd fetch a handsome return, but I disagree that you can pickup those types of second tier glue guys in free agency. If you could Edmonton would have already.
You can pick up Clarkson, Winnick, Santorelli and the like in free agency to round out a lineup. You also overpay unless it's for spare parts.
I think you need the second tier guys like JVR, Kadri and Gardiner to already be in place though, either through the draft or via trade.
When you add blue chips like Nylander, Rielly and a few others to the mix I think that's when you start to build a winner.
AvroArrow said:Here's a sample of FA pieces that could be brought in to insulate/fill out the roster next year.
LW's:
Cole, Bergenheim, Glencross, Erat
C's:
Fleischmann, Fisher,Vermette, Peverley
RW's:
Stafford, Ryder,Williams
D's:
Green,Franson,Visnovsky, Meszaros, Ehrhoff, Beauchemin
G's:
Niemi, Fasth
bustaheims said:AvroArrow said:Here's a sample of FA pieces that could be brought in to insulate/fill out the roster next year.
LW's:
Cole, Bergenheim, Glencross, Erat
C's:
Fleischmann, Fisher,Vermette, Peverley
RW's:
Stafford, Ryder,Williams
D's:
Green,Franson,Visnovsky, Meszaros, Ehrhoff, Beauchemin
G's:
Niemi, Fasth
Crossed out guys that will be either be in the market for big money, longer term deals or are probably on the verge of retirement this summer (in which case, they're not likely to sign with a team destined for the basement). These guys aren't exactly the type you bring in to insulate or fill out a roster. If you sign them, they're pieces you think will have long-term value - and those are not the type of pieces the Leafs should be looking for on the UFA market at the beginning of what will hopefully be a large scale rebuild.
LuncheonMeat said:Honestly, I think the Leafs should avoid the FA rush. See what's around after the dust settles and sign some guys to 1-2 year deals at or below market value. They're probably going to want to evaluate on a year-to-year basis and not get locked into anything at this point.
bustaheims said:LuncheonMeat said:Honestly, I think the Leafs should avoid the FA rush. See what's around after the dust settles and sign some guys to 1-2 year deals at or below market value. They're probably going to want to evaluate on a year-to-year basis and not get locked into anything at this point.
Exactly. The best strategy for the Leafs for the next couple summers is to go back to the Santorelli/Winnik types - guys who are looking to rebuild some value or who were overlooked in the opening salvos of free agency - and sign them to cheap, one year deals and move them out at the deadline. It's great for the Leafs, because they get assets for the future in return, and it's great for the players, because they get a very real opportunity to improve their stock for their next go round in the free agent market. Unless there's a clear gem out there (there isn't this summer, and there very rarely is), it's best to not make major splashes in the UFA market.