Official Armchair GM Thread 2014-2015 Leafs

[Highlander]

I have said it before, Bernier can go and soon. Reimer can pair up with Gibson/Bibeau next year.  Bernier is not our goalie going forward, plain and simple.

 

[Strangelove]

I have said it before, Bernier can go and soon. Reimer can pair up with Gibson/Bibeau next year.  Bernier is not our goalie going forward, plain and simple.

And Reimer has proven he's that guy. I see.

 

[TML fan]

I have said it before, Bernier can go and soon. Reimer can pair up with Gibson/Bibeau next year.  Bernier is not our goalie going forward, plain and simple.

And Reimer has proven he's that guy. I see.

No but Reimer is probably not going to cost as much to retain, Bernier has more trade value, and Reimer is adequate enough to carry a team through a rebuild.

 

[Highlander]

Not saying Reimer is the long term solution but the can take us a year or two into the rebuild. By that time Bibeau and Gibson can share the duties and we can get a 2nd or 3rd for Reimer or package him up with someone else and get a first pick

 

[caver]

I get your point Highlander...get all the assets you can right now...

 

[Highlander]

Yep whats the point of having players on the squad that will not be there in 5 years, get ever pick we can for this very strong draft year and bring in 10 or 12 picks and perhaps with some real luck you end with 4 or 5 guys who can be NHL quality players in 2-4 years.  Keep Kadri, JVR, Holland, Komorov, Gardner, Rielly and Kessel (yes Phil is on my team) and get rid of the rest, build around this core.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

Yep whats the point of having players on the squad that will not be there in 5 years, get ever pick we can for this very strong draft year and bring in 10 or 12 picks and perhaps with some real luck you end with 4 or 5 guys who can be NHL quality players in 2-4 years.  Keep Kadri, JVR, Holland, Komorov, Gardner, Rielly and Kessel (yes Phil is on my team) and get rid of the rest, build around this core.

For me the only reason to keep Bernier is if they think he'll sign for a relatively cheap contract this summer and improve significantly in the next year or 2 (so that he can be traded for more then he'd net now).

Here's the rub. If he's good, then he's hurting our draft position. If he's bad then we might as well roll with Reimer and hope for the best.

I'm just not sure why we'd keep him, really.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

I get that there's a difference and all, but if the team thought he was the #1 for the foreseeable future, that wouldn't be happening IMO. Therefore, they're looking to move him if the price is right but willing to keep him if the value isn't there.

I strongly disagree. He was considered untouchable a couple weeks ago. This is really more a matter of keeping their options open more than anything else. They're willing to move him, but they're still looking to keep him around. Otherwise, they would be shopping him rather than simply being willing to listen. I mean, really, the truth is, right now, they listening on everyone on the NHL roster not named Morgan Rielly, but they're not looking to move everyone.

I'm with you Busta.  His situation seems pretty simple.  If you get an offer you can't refuse, you trade him.  If, as Cox suggested, the Leafs haven't made up their collective minds about him, you sign him to a bridge deal.

I'm curious, I've heard talk about a US college goalie that a bunch of teams are interested in this year.  I can't remember who it is, but if the Leafs knew they could sign him, would that make it more appealing to move Bernier?

 

[Highlander]

If we could go to the Sharks and get a 2nd and Jack Campbell for Bernier I would do it in a second.  Campbell was the U.S. Under 18 goalie and showed great potential, I just don't think the Sharks can wait for him to develop and need someone quickly.
Sorry but Bernier just stated he has to learn to be mentally tougher. At 26 this is not a good admission. 

 

[rdowdall]

If we could go to the Sharks and get a 2nd and Jack Campbell for Bernier I would do it in a second.  Campbell was the U.S. Under 18 goalie and showed great potential, I just don't think the Sharks can wait for him to develop and need someone quickly.
Sorry but Bernier just stated he has to learn to be mentally tougher. At 26 this is not a good admission.

Jack Campbell was drafted by the Stars. 

 

[LuncheonMeat]

If we could go to the Sharks and get a 2nd and Jack Campbell for Bernier I would do it in a second.  Campbell was the U.S. Under 18 goalie and showed great potential, I just don't think the Sharks can wait for him to develop and need someone quickly.
Sorry but Bernier just stated he has to learn to be mentally tougher. At 26 this is not a good admission.

The goalie I heard mentioned was/is a college goalie going to be FA.  There are apparently at least 20 teams interested in him but I didn't catch enough to know who/what/where.

EDIT:

It is Boston University's Matt O'Connor.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/25/report-14-nhl-teams-in-on-bu-goalie-oconnor/

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

If we could go to the Sharks and get a 2nd and Jack Campbell for Bernier I would do it in a second.  Campbell was the U.S. Under 18 goalie and showed great potential, I just don't think the Sharks can wait for him to develop and need someone quickly.
Sorry but Bernier just stated he has to learn to be mentally tougher. At 26 this is not a good admission.

Jack Campbell is was draft by the Stars.

He also has an .888 SV % this year in the AHL 

 

[Highlander]

Doesnt matter, get what you can for Bernier and let the Gibson/Bibeau back up Reimer next year.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Doesnt matter, get what you can for Bernier and let the Gibson/Bibeau back up Reimer next year.

Even if Gibson or Bibeau had NHL potential, why would you want them playing behind a rebuilding team at such a young age? That just seems like a terrible idea.

 

[cw]

Doesnt matter, get what you can for Bernier and let the Gibson/Bibeau back up Reimer next year.

Even if Gibson or Bibeau had NHL potential, why would you want them playing behind a rebuilding team at such a young age? That just seems like a terrible idea.

I'm sure there would be some UFAs that could fill the gap ..

If they can get a good return on Bernier, I think they should take it

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

Doesnt matter, get what you can for Bernier and let the Gibson/Bibeau back up Reimer next year.

Even if Gibson or Bibeau had NHL potential, why would you want them playing behind a rebuilding team at such a young age? That just seems like a terrible idea.

I'm sure there would be some UFAs that could fill the gap ..

If they can get a good return on Bernier, I think they should take it

What's a good return though?

A 1st straight up? a 1st and a prospect?

 

[Highlander]

I would rather have Bernier moved now for something and if we need more experience as back up we can find someone. However we do have three guys in the minors whom are all decent material. Reimer can carry most of the load as in the past.

 

[cw]

Doesnt matter, get what you can for Bernier and let the Gibson/Bibeau back up Reimer next year.

Even if Gibson or Bibeau had NHL potential, why would you want them playing behind a rebuilding team at such a young age? That just seems like a terrible idea.

I'm sure there would be some UFAs that could fill the gap ..

If they can get a good return on Bernier, I think they should take it

What's a good return though?

A 1st straight up? a 1st and a prospect?

In this current trade market, I'd guess a 1st plus (another pick or prospect - not another 1st rndr/top prospect - maybe 2/3rd)

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

Doesnt matter, get what you can for Bernier and let the Gibson/Bibeau back up Reimer next year.

Even if Gibson or Bibeau had NHL potential, why would you want them playing behind a rebuilding team at such a young age? That just seems like a terrible idea.

I'm sure there would be some UFAs that could fill the gap ..

If they can get a good return on Bernier, I think they should take it

What's a good return though?

A 1st straight up? a 1st and a prospect?

In this current trade market, I'd guess a 1st plus (another pick or prospect - not another 1st rndr/top prospect - maybe 2/3rd)

So SJ 1st and someone like Melker Karlsson.

I would be ok with that.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

The Leafs were, reportedly, willing to take Weiss and eat some of Phaneuf's salary and wanted Mantha in return (and presumably a 1st) and DET balked?

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/maple-leafs-wanted-anthony-mantha-red-wings-potential-dion-phaneuf-trade/

That would, effectively, be Phaneuf for $1M-nothing at all for the first 3 seasons (Weiss is $4.9 for 3 years and they'd, presumably, eat $1-2M) and they didn't want any part of it?

That seems crazy to me.