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Official Armchair GM Thread 2014-2015 Leafs

LuncheonMeat said:
bustaheims said:
Crucialness Key said:
So apparently the NYR have interest in Bozak and want to ditch Zuccarello who'll be a UFA.

Is this a scenario where we might craft a trade where "Leafs get extra draft picks if Zuccarello signs elsewhere, fewer if Zucc signs with Toronto" kind of thing?

I think a trade involving Bozak and Zuccarello would likely be a 3-team deal (or, at least, work out to be one). I don't think the Leafs would be particularly interested in adding a pending UFA as the centrepiece of a deal, but, in a scenario where they can flip him somewhere else for picks/prospects or as part of a 3 team deal where they get picks/prospects, maybe.

This would be the ideal scenario, and there would certainly be takers for him.  I think he might be a good fit with Chicago given the Kane situation if there's a way to may the $$$ work.

I have a feeling NYR don't have a second round pick either.  Can anyone confirm that?

NYR has 2, their own and T Bays.  Chicago has 2 as well, their own and a compensatory pick for some reason.

Bozak for Zuccarello and Tbays 2nd.

Zucharello for Chicago's 2nd.

So basically Bozak for 2 late Rd draft picks.  Sound fair?
 
Britishbulldog said:
LuncheonMeat said:
bustaheims said:
Crucialness Key said:
So apparently the NYR have interest in Bozak and want to ditch Zuccarello who'll be a UFA.

Is this a scenario where we might craft a trade where "Leafs get extra draft picks if Zuccarello signs elsewhere, fewer if Zucc signs with Toronto" kind of thing?

I think a trade involving Bozak and Zuccarello would likely be a 3-team deal (or, at least, work out to be one). I don't think the Leafs would be particularly interested in adding a pending UFA as the centrepiece of a deal, but, in a scenario where they can flip him somewhere else for picks/prospects or as part of a 3 team deal where they get picks/prospects, maybe.

This would be the ideal scenario, and there would certainly be takers for him.  I think he might be a good fit with Chicago given the Kane situation if there's a way to may the $$$ work.

I have a feeling NYR don't have a second round pick either.  Can anyone confirm that?

NYR has 2, their own and T Bays.  Chicago has 2 as well, their own and a compensatory pick for some reason.

Bozak for Zuccarello and Tbays 2nd.

Zucharello for Chicago's 2nd.

So basically Bozak for 2 late Rd draft picks.  Sound fair?

That would be awesome.
 
Heroic Shrimp said:
Pure intellectual exercise here:  In the absence of any trade blocks, would there be any overall logic in a Clarkson for Bolland trade?  Both have almost equally horrible contracts for cap hit and length.  Clarkson has been paid a ton of money in signing bonuses, so the paycheque going forward for Florida would be low and manageable despite the cap hit, and they get a player who's healthy and can play every game (and by play, I mean skate around every game, fall down, and do whatever it is that Clarkson does).  Toronto gets Bolland, who's played all of 4 games this year, and be counted on to give the Leafs LTIR cap relief a lot, and Bolland's paycheque is likely worth it for the overall likely cap savings.

Florida saves themselves a lot of money and gets a healthy player, Toronto digs into it's pockets more and likely gets frequent and significant cap relief.

Thoughts?

Did I say Bolland and Florida?  I really truly meant Horton and Columbus.  And I also didn't mean any of that stuff about the signing bonuses being relevant to the financials.
 
Heroic Shrimp said:
Heroic Shrimp said:
Pure intellectual exercise here:  In the absence of any trade blocks, would there be any overall logic in a Clarkson for Bolland trade?  Both have almost equally horrible contracts for cap hit and length.  Clarkson has been paid a ton of money in signing bonuses, so the paycheque going forward for Florida would be low and manageable despite the cap hit, and they get a player who's healthy and can play every game (and by play, I mean skate around every game, fall down, and do whatever it is that Clarkson does).  Toronto gets Bolland, who's played all of 4 games this year, and be counted on to give the Leafs LTIR cap relief a lot, and Bolland's paycheque is likely worth it for the overall likely cap savings.

Florida saves themselves a lot of money and gets a healthy player, Toronto digs into it's pockets more and likely gets frequent and significant cap relief.

Thoughts?

Did I say Bolland and Florida?  I really truly meant Horton and Columbus.  And I also didn't mean any of that stuff about the signing bonuses being relevant to the financials.

I'm actually a little surprise nobody ever suggested a Clarkson for Horton swap in the past. I guess we all didn't really understand just how much the Blue Jackets franchise values $20+mil.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I'm actually a little surprise nobody ever suggested a Clarkson for Horton swap in the past. I guess we all didn't really understand just how much the Blue Jackets franchise values $20+mil.

I guess we all figured the contract was insured, so the money wasn't as big a deal. We were wrong.
 
Britishbulldog said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Phi Kessel to the Blackhawks for a conditional 2015 2nd round draft pick and "future considerations". The pick becomes a 1st rounder if the Hawks make it to the 3rd round, which I'm betting that they would. The "future considerations" would of course be Phil once the playoffs are completed.

The Blackhawks get the absolute best Patrick Kane replacement that they can, and they won't have to worry about salary cap concerns afterward. I started with a 2nd round pick to make the risk very small on their part, but if they have playoff success with Phil they need to pay for it, which they likely wouldn't mind doing. Especially since if they make it to the 3rd round Kane would probably be ready to play as well and that would just be ridiculous for them.

The Leafs basically get a free 1st round draft pick, and without Kessel for the rest of the season their tank would go into overdrive. They can then trade Kessel for a real return in the offseason.

I know this all sounds crazy and 100% wouldn't actually happen, but I actually think it would be really beneficial for both sides.

That is exactly the kind of deal I was coming here to post.  I wish the Leafs could do it.

I don't think the league allows deals where team A promises to trade a player back to team B after the playoffs are over.

Also, even as a rental for the playoffs, Kessel would garner more than a late first-round pick.  Franson got a late first-round pick.
 
Before anyone gets too giddy over Nonis improved performance lately, remember this:

Dave Nonis buys out Grabovski, and states: ?This is a roster move that will give us salary cap flexibility moving forward.? ? 5.5m x 4 years remaining are bought out in the summer of 2013.

This buyout leads to a number of results that have affected this team today.

1: Dave Nonis uses said cap ?flexibility? to sign Clarkson: 5.25m x 7 remaining.

This leads to 0.25m in cap ?flexibility? for 4 years but adds 3 extra years of a 5.25M cap hit.

2: By removing Grabovski?arguably our most complete center at the time?Nonis must replace that center depth?enter Dave Bolland

Nonis trades a 2nd round pick and two 4th round picks for Dave Bolland. Coming off a game winning playoff goal, Bolland was a pending UFA who had only played over 60 games 3 times out of his 6 seasons with the Hawks.

Bolland then plays a total of 23 games, and thankfully does not accept a Leafs contract offer and leaves to Florida.

3: By losing Grabovski, then Bolland who replaced Grabovski, Nonis must replace the replacer of Grabovski.

With Bolland down, Grabovski bought out, and Colburne sent packing for a conditional 4th round pick so that Orr and McClaren could hold roster spots, Nonis must now trade Jesse Blacker and a 2nd for Peter Holland.

4: By using a compliance buyout on Grabovski, the Leafs get stuck with a four year Tim Gleason cap hit.

After unnecessarily buying out Gravovski and in the subsequent move below, Dave Nonis completely botched one of the most valuable assets a GM in a cap era has available: the ability to rid yourself of a contract with no cap penalty.

Nonis has only one buyout remaining with two contracts: Komisarek: 4.75M with one year remaining and Liles: 3.8M with three years remaining

Rather than eating the term of Komisarek?s deal for one year, or alternatively, using a non-compliance buyout on his final year (and leaving the Leafs with a cap hit for two years), and using a compliance buyout out on the contract with less cap but triple the term, Nonis and his ?capologist? decide on a second alternative.

He uses a compliance buyout on Komisarek and leaves the Leafs with Liles? contract, in order to save roughly 1M for one year in term?he then trades Liles for 39 games of Tim Gleason?.and buys out Tim Gleason.

Leafs now have a cap hit for four years that follows: 0.833 in 14/15; 1.8 in 15/16; 1.3 in 16/17 and; 1.3 in 17/18.

Credit to a user on another site who put this together.
 
Patrick said:
More swirling reports of Lupul to Washington lately, if they could get something of value (ala Forsberg) in return I'd be delighted.

Lupul & TJ Brennan for Mike Green, Connor Carrick, and two 2nds (2015, 2016).  If Capitals win Cup this year the 2015 becomes a 1st.  If Lupul scores 30 next season then the 2016 becomes a 1st.

(Green obviously to help with this year's tank)
 
Crucialness Key said:
Patrick said:
More swirling reports of Lupul to Washington lately, if they could get something of value (ala Forsberg) in return I'd be delighted.

Lupul & TJ Brennan for Mike Green, Connor Carrick, and two 2nds (2015, 2016).  If Capitals win Cup this year the 2015 becomes a 1st.  If Lupul scores 30 next season then the 2016 becomes a 1st.

(Green obviously to help with this year's tank)

I'm pretty sure Brennan has zero value and Lupul just isn't that valuable.

Maybe Carrick and a 2nd (this year) if we're lucky.

If they could get one of Burakovsky or Kuznetsov straight up though.....(which reminds me, why did we take Gauthier instead of him again?)
 
Chev-boyar-sky said:
Crucialness Key said:
Patrick said:
More swirling reports of Lupul to Washington lately, if they could get something of value (ala Forsberg) in return I'd be delighted.

Lupul & TJ Brennan for Mike Green, Connor Carrick, and two 2nds (2015, 2016).  If Capitals win Cup this year the 2015 becomes a 1st.  If Lupul scores 30 next season then the 2016 becomes a 1st.

(Green obviously to help with this year's tank)

I'm pretty sure Brennan has zero value and Lupul just isn't that valuable.

Maybe Carrick and a 2nd (this year) if we're lucky.

If they could get one of Burakovsky or Kuznetsov straight up though.....(which reminds me, why did we take Gauthier instead of him again?)

I'm thinking sending us Mike Green is doing Washington a favour.  Hm, how about:

Lupul + Polak  <-->  Burakovsky + Green

as a starting point?
 
Crucialness Key said:
Chev-boyar-sky said:
Crucialness Key said:
Patrick said:
More swirling reports of Lupul to Washington lately, if they could get something of value (ala Forsberg) in return I'd be delighted.

Lupul & TJ Brennan for Mike Green, Connor Carrick, and two 2nds (2015, 2016).  If Capitals win Cup this year the 2015 becomes a 1st.  If Lupul scores 30 next season then the 2016 becomes a 1st.

(Green obviously to help with this year's tank)

I'm pretty sure Brennan has zero value and Lupul just isn't that valuable.

Maybe Carrick and a 2nd (this year) if we're lucky.

If they could get one of Burakovsky or Kuznetsov straight up though.....(which reminds me, why did we take Gauthier instead of him again?)

I'm thinking sending us Mike Green is doing Washington a favour.  Hm, how about:

Lupul + Polak  <-->  Burakovsky + Green

as a starting point?

Why is that they'd want to be rid of him?

He's on an expiring deal and a big part of their PP (36 pts this year).

Not sure why how that would be doing them a favour.
 
Anyone have interest in Kassian now that his game is sort of back on track (his sh % is unsustainably high).

Kassian and a 1st for Phaneuf? I don't think it's enough but maybe realistic. Maybe VAN give up another prospect or pick.
 
Chev-boyar-sky said:
Anyone have interest in Kassian now that his game is sort of back on track (his sh % is unsustainably high).

Kassian and a 1st for Phaneuf? I don't think it's enough but maybe realistic. Maybe VAN give up another prospect or pick.

I'm not sure of the numbers, but I don't think Van has a ton of cap space.  I think Kassian is making $1.5, so the Leafs would have to take a contract back.  Kassian, a 1st, a good prospect and a bad contract might make sense.
 
Bernier being shopped according to Cox.

Anyone have an idea of his value? A 1st? A 2nd and prospect?

Given the state of the team, I'd have a hard time turning down a high-mid 2nd this year and a good prospect.
 
Chev-boyar-sky said:
Bernier being shopped according to Cox.

Just to be clear, he didn't say Bernier was being shopped, but, rather, that the Leafs are willing to listen on him now. That's a pretty important distinction. They're still not looking to move him.
 
bustaheims said:
Chev-boyar-sky said:
Bernier being shopped according to Cox.

Just to be clear, he didn't say Bernier was being shopped, but, rather, that the Leafs are willing to listen on him now. That's a pretty important distinction. They're still not looking to move him.

I get that there's a difference and all, but if the team thought he was the #1 for the foreseeable future, that wouldn't be happening IMO. Therefore, they're looking to move him if the price is right but willing to keep him if the value isn't there.
 
Chev-boyar-sky said:
I get that there's a difference and all, but if the team thought he was the #1 for the foreseeable future, that wouldn't be happening IMO. Therefore, they're looking to move him if the price is right but willing to keep him if the value isn't there.

I strongly disagree. He was considered untouchable a couple weeks ago. This is really more a matter of keeping their options open more than anything else. They're willing to move him, but they're still looking to keep him around. Otherwise, they would be shopping him rather than simply being willing to listen. I mean, really, the truth is, right now, they listening on everyone on the NHL roster not named Morgan Rielly, but they're not looking to move everyone.
 
You know who would be a perfect fit with the Bruins.  Lupul.  I think they owe us a 1st round pick.
 

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