Official meeting place of the Kadri Cadre
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bustaheims
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mr grieves said:
Well, every team in the league signed guys of a similar calibre to Orr and McLaren leading up to and shortly after free agency started, and the reason for that it pretty simple - they like those players and want to have them on the team. McLaren was an RFA, and he basically negotiated roughly the same value as his qualifying offer. In essence, he already had the contract in front of him just so that Leafs could retain his rights and said "Round it up to $700K and give me an extra season" and the Leafs said okay (his QO would have been ~$695K). Orr was a UFA who may not have been in high demand, but, may still have found some interest elsewhere. In order to not risk losing him, the Leafs had to sign him early. Whether or not you agree with that decision is sort of immaterial here. It was a risk the team was not willing to take, so, they concluded their brief negotiations with him. Also, in terms of the cap, neither Orr not MacLaren will necessarily count once the season gets going and neither have much impact in the summer, either. The team can go 10% over until 24 hours before the start of the season, and both players have salaries that are low enough that they won't count against the cap if they're sent to the AHL. Neither Orr nor MacLaren being signed early in the process have had any impact on the team's ability to sign either Kadri or Franson. Even if they were to be replaced by guys making the league minimum, the team would only free up $525K against the cap.
bustaheims
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Bullfrog said:
Don't tell me what I'm gonna do!
But, yeah, these posts hurt my brain.
hockeyfan1
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Long-term deal or short-term deal?
If the Leafs were to sign Kadri on a short-term (also called a bridge) contract, should Kadri live up to his billing and solidly become the team's best, re-signing him afterwards will prove costlier (stock value rises).
If the Leafs were to sign Kadri to a long-term contract, suppose he doesn't live up to his billing (as has happened with some players in the league with long-terms over the years)), and the Leafs will have spent plenty.
If you were Nonis, which deal would you choose in the best interests of the team?
If the Leafs were to sign Kadri on a short-term (also called a bridge) contract, should Kadri live up to his billing and solidly become the team's best, re-signing him afterwards will prove costlier (stock value rises).
If the Leafs were to sign Kadri to a long-term contract, suppose he doesn't live up to his billing (as has happened with some players in the league with long-terms over the years)), and the Leafs will have spent plenty.
If you were Nonis, which deal would you choose in the best interests of the team?
louisstamos
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hockeyfan1 said:
I'd prefer the bridge route - if it turns out he lights up the league, then I have no problem paying him what he's worth. But I'm I'm not a big fan of paying for potential, although you can get some great deals if you do that (i.e: Hart Trophy nominee John Tavares is a $5.5 million cap hit for the next 5 years)
hockeyfan1
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louisstamos said:
Same here. I think it's the safest route to take.
Champ Kind
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A little update on the Kadri contract situation.
Really, I can't say that I argue with him.
Full article:
http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2013/08/20/maple_leafs_nazem_kadri_contract_talks_drag_on.html
Really, I can't say that I argue with him.
Full article:
http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2013/08/20/maple_leafs_nazem_kadri_contract_talks_drag_on.html
GhostofPotvin29
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Comparing his point totals in a shortened year to Tavares? Yeah, he's not getting anywhere near that money right now (or at least he shouldn't be).
He should get something like Tyler Ennis got - 2 years, 2.8 million hit.
He should get something like Tyler Ennis got - 2 years, 2.8 million hit.
bustaheims
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Potvin29 said:
Yeah. That's a pretty reasonable comparable. Kadri's season was a little better than one Ennis had when he signed that contract, but, Ennis also had a little longer track record, so it balances out. A two year deal in the $2.6M - $3.2M range is about right.
Guru Tugginmypuddah
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$4,895,833 to sign Franson and Kadri. Here you go boys, fight over the scraps.
Bullfrog
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I'm somewhat in Kadri's camp here. 22nd overall in league scoring is damn impressive. He was dangerous almost everytime on the ice. I really don't think last season was a flash in the pan for him.
I'm on the fence about his 100 game comment. He's right that it's not an insignificant amount of experience, but on the other hand, it's barely over a full season. The thing he's got going for him though is that the last 48 of those 100 was very impressive.
I'd be very comfortable with him over the $3M mark.
I'm on the fence about his 100 game comment. He's right that it's not an insignificant amount of experience, but on the other hand, it's barely over a full season. The thing he's got going for him though is that the last 48 of those 100 was very impressive.
I'd be very comfortable with him over the $3M mark.
What bugs me is that Nonis had absolutely no problem (over)paying Bernier but he's being stingy with Kadri and Franson. I've always said that I liked Bernier as a player, but there was no reason he should have gotten the contract that he did. There have been a bunch of young goalies that were in his position that didn't get $2.9mil and some of them even had better track records.
Who did Nonis have the most leverage over? It had to be Bernier. Kadri and Franson were both coming off much better seasons than Bernier did. Kadri finished 22nd among forwards in points. Franson finished 8th among defencemen. Bernier's GAA and SA% were definitely great, but he was 32nd among goalies in wins and 48th in starts.
Now lets look at the players' value to the team. If Nonis played hardball with Bernier and a deal wasn't done at this point, who does the team turn to in net? Reimer is still there and could of course handle the load while the two sides hammered out a deal. If Kadri holds outs who is our number two centre? Colborne? Bolland? Colborne probably isn't ready for that and Bolland was awful in a top-6 role with Chicago last season. If Franson holds out it means that two of Gardiner, Liles, Fraser, Holzer, or Ranger will be on our second pairing. That's two players who either Carlyle barely trusted for most last season or are bottom pairing defencemen right now at best.
Who did Nonis have the most leverage over? It had to be Bernier. Kadri and Franson were both coming off much better seasons than Bernier did. Kadri finished 22nd among forwards in points. Franson finished 8th among defencemen. Bernier's GAA and SA% were definitely great, but he was 32nd among goalies in wins and 48th in starts.
Now lets look at the players' value to the team. If Nonis played hardball with Bernier and a deal wasn't done at this point, who does the team turn to in net? Reimer is still there and could of course handle the load while the two sides hammered out a deal. If Kadri holds outs who is our number two centre? Colborne? Bolland? Colborne probably isn't ready for that and Bolland was awful in a top-6 role with Chicago last season. If Franson holds out it means that two of Gardiner, Liles, Fraser, Holzer, or Ranger will be on our second pairing. That's two players who either Carlyle barely trusted for most last season or are bottom pairing defencemen right now at best.