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Significantly Insignificant said:
Fundamentalists are fundamentalists because they take scripture as seriously as they do. The only reason religion isn't as big a scourge as it used to be is because more reasoned thinking forces religious nonsense to take steps back from their more unreasoned ideas. Is a person crazy if they read a scripture saying kill non-believers and they do that thing or is the scripture itself erratic and crazy?
Kin
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Bender said:
Just like they did in Orlando which turned out to be the work of one messed up guy. Those idiots are desperate for attention and any sort of way to latch on to things that get them it.
There really is no danger in having all the facts before coming to a conclusion.
leafsjunkie
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Significantly Insignificant said:
That is true, it's just my frustration at what people will do in the name of a 'god'. Far more harm has come from all religion, than any good it may do or may have done.
There is no end to this stuff, at least I don't see how there can be, with so many brainwashed people.
Maybe anyone under the age of 18, not be exposed to religion, but there is no way to enforce that.
I just wish that Science and facts were taught to everyone, from an early age, not religion. So maybe we can have critical thinking kids / adults, in the future. Our planet and future human kind, would thank us.
Bender said:
I understand, and I get that this gives people a more widespread cause to do something like this for, but at the end of the day, if you believe in something enough to blow yourself and several other up, then I think that is insane. I don't draw a line between blowing themselves up in the name of a god, or blowing themselves up because they think if they do that, they will share the afterlife with a person they think spurned them. Or blowing themselves up because some people bullied them. When you get to the level where you bring explosives in to the mix, you are pretty far down.
louisstamos
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Bender said:
There are a lot of holes in their "claim" though - particularly getting a lot of the details wrong:
https://twitter.com/MiaMBloom/status/866990008565190656
leafsjunkie
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Significantly Insignificant said:
I'm not so sure of that.
https://creationmuseum.org/
One small example, of fiction passed as fact, and people gobble it up, in 'Murica.
louisstamos
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leafsjunkie said:
For me, it's sociological, though; even if you were to get rid of religion somehow - as long as socioeconomic inequality exists in the world, there will be violence. It will just be another reason for the basis of it. Political? Racial? Other arbitrary drawn lines?
bustaheims
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louisstamos said:
And, if we're really being honest here, the violence being carried out in the name of religion is really politically/racially/financially motivated any way. The leadership of these terrorist groups just use twisted versions of religion to brainwash their followers to commit atrocities for their "cause." Without religion, they'd just find another button to push to rally others to act for them.
leafsjunkie said:
I think the internet and mobile phones and the constantly connected environment that we have created is more than we can handle. It has preyed on the parts of ourselves that are the worst parts of ourselves.
I'm a programmer so the fact that I am somewhat biting the hand that feeds is not lost on me. I think we have given ourselves access to things that we shouldn't have given ourselves access to until as a society we were able to handle it. I think we will adapt, but I think there will be dark times before we say as a society that enough is enough.
herman
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bustaheims said:
If I were to distill it further to its absolute root, it comes down to power: taking it and keeping it.
Significantly Insignificant said:
The problem isn't really the technology cited. It has simply made readily accessible and amplified what was already there by facilitating global echo chambers. Other forces, in seeking to maintain power, naturally try to limit critical thinking, so the general populace is defenseless.
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe
hockeyfan1
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leafsjunkie said:
You must be joking. Replace it with what? Satanism? Wherever there exists a void, it will be filled with another belief, demogoue, or other.
Every religion has it's extremes -- be it Christian fundamentalism or Islamic fundamentalism -- in it's various forms. They exist everywhere all over the planet.
At the other end, there are sensible, practical people who are deeply religious yet flexible to understand how to apply the best and basic tenets of their religious beliefs to everyday life.
Evil's brand of religion isn't in the name of religion, which they use as the excuse for martyrdom and revenge in it's most brutal form.
These people who apparently enjoy killing are either brainwashed or paid to undertake such dastardly endeavors. Who knows who finances terror groups? Who is behind them?
Absolute cowardice.
leafsjunkie
Member
hockeyfan1 said:
Replace it with satanism? What????
Silly that you reference getting rid of religion, with a construct of religion (satan), which was meant to scare the population, and to control them with 'sin'....
How about teach people about facts and Science? Which I already referenced.
Not teach people from some fictional books and writings from thousands of years ago, you know, where there is zero evidence, which is why it's called 'faith'. Religion was started because it was a way for a few, to hold power, over the many. Nothing has changed in that respect. Have you ever read the disturbing things written in the bible or koran.
All religion is the problem, there are so many too, there have been thousands of gods throughout history, but yet we still don't have any evidence for any. People kill for them and blindly believe in it. That is a problem, I have a problem with it, so does our world, as we have witnessed for a few thousand years. Killing in the name of.
This is a huge topic, which I wish more people would open their eyes too and discuss, but it's hard when there is blind faith.
Boston Leaf
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on the topic of music I saw the PIXIES play in a small venue sunday night in Boston and they were fabulous. 2 hours of raw music. No theatrical stuff just great music
herman
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I too wish that more people would have internet discussions on the morality of religion vs science in a music thread and proceed with the same zeal and fanaticism decried against religions.
With great certainty, I can say that yelling at people from a keyboard and casting scorn and derision on their core values and beliefs is a time-tested and effective way of changing minds in a constructive manner.
Edit: sarcasm aside, I actually wouldn't mind engaging in that level of discussion in its own thread as long as participants do their best to refrain from ad hominem attacks, etc.