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Official Ottawa Senators Thread

I think it's always a good sign when the GM you just made a trade with feels the need to tell the media to not be so hard on you and that, actually, the trade you made wasn't as big of a loss as it seemed.
 
Nik the Trik said:
I think it's always a good sign when the GM you just made a trade with feels the need to tell the media to not be so hard on you and that, actually, the trade you made wasn't as big of a loss as it seemed.

Probably part of the handshake deal. "I'll trade him to you as long as you promise to stick up for me against all the media bullies"
 
Nik the Trik said:
I think it's always a good sign when the GM you just made a trade with feels the need to tell the media to not be so hard on you and that, actually, the trade you made wasn't as big of a loss as it seemed.

That's called "future fleecing candidate appeasement"
 
Zee said:
Nik the Trik said:
I think it's always a good sign when the GM you just made a trade with feels the need to tell the media to not be so hard on you and that, actually, the trade you made wasn't as big of a loss as it seemed.

That's called "future fleecing candidate appeasement"

It's gonna be so funny when they trade them Mark Stone too.
 
https://twitter.com/6thSens/status/1042775600824369153

i.e. Melnyk is farming out marketing without having to really pay anyone anything.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
You guys are merciless.

Poor madferret has probably gone to live on a cave in Laos.

Well, not that I have anything personal against MadFerret, but most of those fans of other teams just came around when their teams were good to troll us in a passive aggressive manner.  Some more aggressively than passively. 

 
Guru Tugginmypuddah said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
You guys are merciless.

Poor madferret has probably gone to live on a cave in Laos.

Well, not that I have anything personal against MadFerret, but most of those fans of other teams just came around when their teams were good to troll us in a passive aggressive manner.  Some more aggressively than passively.

Yeah I never really understood that. MadFerret was a good guy but I mean we get it all the time. PLAN THE PARADE DUUURRR.
 
Guru Tugginmypuddah said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
You guys are merciless.

Poor madferret has probably gone to live on a cave in Laos.

Well, not that I have anything personal against MadFerret, but most of those fans of other teams just came around when their teams were good to troll us in a passive aggressive manner.  Some more aggressively than passively.

I was always suspicious about madferret and the other guys that were either Sens or Habs fans.  Funny they're not around any longer.

I get the schadenfreude of watching your rivals suffer, but we're on a Leafs board, and when we take pleasure in their pain we're not directly attacking Sens/Habs fans on here.  If I was a member of a Sens or Habs internet forum, I wouldn't be pretending to be un-biased.  I would passively aggressively troll them, which is what I think those guys were doing.  That's why I wouldn't belong to other hockey boards, the temptation to troll would be too high.  I'd rather just share in the joy and misery with other Leafs fans, at least we all have common ground here.
 
herman said:
https://twitter.com/6thSens/status/1042775600824369153

Speaking of schadenfreude
https://www.silversevensens.com/2018/9/20/17881396/interview-with-pierre-dorion-ottawa-senators-general-manager-analytics

https://twitter.com/Cane_Matt/status/1042821445536178176
 
herman said:
herman said:
https://twitter.com/6thSens/status/1042775600824369153

Speaking of schadenfreude
https://www.silversevensens.com/2018/9/20/17881396/interview-with-pierre-dorion-ottawa-senators-general-manager-analytics

https://twitter.com/Cane_Matt/status/1042821445536178176
Really?

No schadenfreude for me (had to google the meaning), it's so awful I can't enjoy it.

Dubas, should get this meatball on the phone asap and pillage him of all assets.
 
Frank E said:
Did they definitively figure out who it was, herman?

Someone approached Yost on twitter claiming he was that the person in question and that he was merely an invested fan now confused by the hoopla. He hasn't tweeted under that account since then.
 
Two stray thoughts re: Karlsson

1. I'm really interested to see what happens with Mark Stone now. He's played his entire career with maybe the single best set-up guy in the world. Now, in his walk year, he's playing in what looks like a much worse situation. If he goes out and has, like, 19 goals and 45 points then it's going to be interesting to see how much the Karlsson trade will cost him as a UFA.

2. The Karlsson trade should probably be exhibit A in a cautionary tale for anyone who thinks the Leafs can trade their way into a much better defense. Karlsson was a superstar that some teams very clearly wanted desperately and yet by most accounts what held up his trade was that teams weren't even willing to throw in their best defensive prospects for him, to say nothing of their best young defensemen.
 
Nik the Trik said:
2. The Karlsson trade should probably be exhibit A in a cautionary tale for anyone who thinks the Leafs can trade their way into a much better defense. Karlsson was a superstar that some teams very clearly wanted desperately and yet by most accounts what held up his trade was that teams weren't even willing to throw in their best defensive prospects for him, to say nothing of their best young defensemen.

Well, to be fair, offers were reportedly far more lucrative at the trade deadline, and there was the little matter of Karlsson substantially limiting the destinations. I'd say it's equally a cautionary tale in how mismanagement and timing can alter the market.
 
Frycer14 said:
Well, to be fair, offers were reportedly far more lucrative at the trade deadline, and there was the little matter of Karlsson substantially limiting the destinations.

We may have read different reports. I've heard things were a little better at the deadline or arguably better but not massively so.

I mean, not to put too fine a point on it but the reason Edmonton would be so willing to make a huge offer on Karlsson is because they already tried to move an incredibly valuable young forward for defense help and the best they could do was Adam Larsson.

 
Nik the Trik said:
Frycer14 said:
Well, to be fair, offers were reportedly far more lucrative at the trade deadline, and there was the little matter of Karlsson substantially limiting the destinations.

We may have read different reports. I've heard things were a little better at the deadline or arguably better but not massively so.

I mean, not to put too fine a point on it but the reason Edmonton would be so willing to make a huge offer on Karlsson is because they already tried to move an incredibly valuable young forward for defense help and the best they could do was Adam Larsson.

Right, but the fact remains that they and probably 10 other teams, possibly the leafs included, would have likely made a substantially more competitive offer. And Ottawa probably felt they couldn't go into the season with this hanging over their heads with all the drama regarding the deteriorated relationship with ownership, not to mention whatshisname they sent packing and ended up in Florida, and a combination of other reasons why this situation was pretty uncharacteristic of the value one would get for Karlsson.

So I'm not sure if this really meets the average condition of most trades, even high end ones, that make your point.
 
Frycer14 said:
Right, but the fact remains that they and probably 10 other teams, possibly the leafs included, would have likely made a substantially more competitive offer.

Well, I mean for starters, that's not a fact. That's a supposition. Even on the board here opinion was pretty split about whether or not the Leafs should include any particularly high end assets in a potential Karlsson deal.

And I don't think you can just write off that the only reason you're saying that about Edmonton is because they're so desperate for the very thing I'm saying it's hard to trade for. If I was wrong, and it wasn't so hard to trade for, Edmonton wouldn't be so desperate for it.

Because the issue here isn't so much what Ottawa got, it's what teams were willing to give up. It's easy to say Edmonton would have been willing to give up a top flight young defenseman or defensive prospect but when they don't have either of those things it's kind of a meaningless statement.

Frycer14 said:
So I'm not sure if this really meets the average condition of most trades, even high end ones, that make your point.

Any trade where high level assets are moved aren't going to fit the average condition of most trades. You can say that the circumstances around Karlsson's availability lowered what Ottawa was ultimately able to command but I can easily just as say that it's those circumstances that are the only reason Karlsson was available in the first place. I think it's very rare that any team is going to be inclined to move a high level player unless they are effectively forced to the way Ottawa was here.

But even still I feel like this is missing the larger point. Dallas clearly wanted Karlsson, Dallas clearly had a need for Karlsson, Dallas clearly knew that other Western Conference teams were in on Karlsson and they might have deal with the reality of facing him come playoff time. All of those factors, to me, seem more significant than just the raw number of teams that may have been bidding.

But despite that, Dallas didn't budge on including their best defensive prospect. Not even their best young defenseman, but a defensive prospect. Pile that on top of the mass of examples we have about how rare it is for really good young defensemen to be moved even when a guy like Hall is available to anyone and I think we're on some pretty firm ground when we say it's an unlikely strategy.
 

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