Ontario Election 2018

[Zee]

Well, that just seems dumb. I always thought it was a really good program/initiative.

Try to look at it from the Conservative perspective:

1. It didn't cost much
2. The money it did cost went to homeowners and small businesses
3. It encouraged investment in homes and lowered hydro bills
4. It was good for the environment

Clearly, something had to be done.

Thank goodness I got my free Nest thermostat already before he canned this program.  Loving it the last few months.

 

[dappleganger]

Well, that just seems dumb. I always thought it was a really good program/initiative.

Try to look at it from the Conservative perspective:

1. It didn't cost much
2. The money it did cost went to homeowners and small businesses
3. It encouraged investment in homes and lowered hydro bills
4. It was good for the environment

Clearly, something had to be done.

Let me state clearly that I'm not against green initiatives, government subsidies for business, or rebates for consumers. Subsidies can be great for the economy.

But let me play devil's advocate.

1. It costs money that the government doesn't have.

2. Homeowners and business owners generally are not the ones struggling financially compared to non-homeowners/business owners. Money could be used better elsewhere.

3. You could argue lower hydro bills could/should be incentive enough.

4. It was good for the environment. Not sure how much of a motivator this was for people. I think, generally, cost savings supersedes saving the planet. It's great when they coincide.
 

 

[bustaheims]

Let me state clearly that I'm not against green initiatives, government subsidies for business, or rebates for consumers. Subsidies can be great for the economy.

But let me play devil's advocate.

1. It costs money that the government doesn't have.

2. Homeowners and business owners generally are not the ones struggling financially compared to non-homeowners/business owners. Money could be used better elsewhere.

3. You could argue lower hydro bills could/should be incentive enough.

4. It was good for the environment. Not sure how much of a motivator this was for people. I think, generally, cost savings supersedes saving the planet. It's great when they coincide.

The problem there is that lower hydro bills is only an incentive if the cost of improvements to your home/business don't exceed the savings. That's a big part of what this program was all about.

 

[TML fan]

Well, that just seems dumb. I always thought it was a really good program/initiative.

Try to look at it from the Conservative perspective:

1. It didn't cost much
2. The money it did cost went to homeowners and small businesses
3. It encouraged investment in homes and lowered hydro bills
4. It was good for the environment

Clearly, something had to be done.

4. It was good for the environment. Not sure how much of a motivator this was for people. I think, generally, cost savings supersedes saving the planet. It's great when they coincide.

This is exactly the kind of backwards, scientifically illiterate thinking that is going to doom our species. What's the cost of having nowhere to live?

I'm not suggesting that this one initiative is going to save the planet but as long as this is the attitude towards these kinds of programs we are never going to make progress.

 

[Coco-puffs]

Hey, lets cut subsidies for the environment since it costs too much....

https://twitter.com/CBCToronto/status/1009834603027337216

"Doug Ford loves subways so much he's vowing to build them to Pickering, Markham"

Yup, that's gonna be free.  And erode GO Train ridership- which the province has already invested tons of money in to increase frequency etc.

 

[Zee]

Subways to Pickering and Markham eh?  That won't take anymore than 30 years or so....

 

[TML fan]

I'll add subways to Pickering and Markham to the list of "things that are never going to happen" along with 15 minute GO service, electrification, and a high speed rail corridor.

 

[Kin]

Let me state clearly that I'm not against green initiatives, government subsidies for business, or rebates for consumers. Subsidies can be great for the economy.

But let me play devil's advocate.

1. It costs money that the government doesn't have.

They did have the money. The money for this program came from the provincial cap and trade program, something Ford has already promised to abolish. This isn't money that will just be re-invested elsewhere.

2. Homeowners and business owners generally are not the ones struggling financially compared to non-homeowners/business owners. Money could be used better elsewhere.

Again, this money will no longer be collected when cap and trade is scrapped. This is money going to homeowners and small businesses that will instead stay in the money of companies that pay into cap and trade, not be used for healthcare or to pay down the debt.

Companies that exceed emissions standards aren't the ones hurting in this economy either and that's the only ones who'll ultimately benefit here.

3. You could argue lower hydro bills could/should be incentive enough.

4. It was good for the environment. Not sure how much of a motivator this was for people. I think, generally, cost savings supersedes saving the planet. It's great when they coincide.

You might even think these two were connected.

 

[Darryl]

Flying cars in every drive way and leaded gas brought back to fuel them!

 

[Kin]

We'll disagree on a lot of politics, but I'm a business guy, and Ontario is in $350 billion worth of debt that gets serviced with your tax dollars.

So, yeah, there's going to be some cuts to programs that people will be upset about.  As long as they can get that deficit to $0, or ideally a surplus, quit adding to the mountain, and start to chip away it at, I'm expecting some things to come down the pipe that aren't going to be popular with many, including me.

Again, the money here came from the cap and trade program. If Ford keeps the cap and trade program and the revenues raised, that's one thing but he's already said he won't.

This is taking a relatively small amount of money raised from big businesses, invested into the green energy economy via small businesses and homeowners, that will now just go back to the big businesses who pay into cap and trade. It's not staying in the public coffers.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/CBCNews/status/1015014967345598464

We're really off to a great start here.

 

[Zee]

https://twitter.com/CBCNews/status/1015014967345598464

We're really off to a great start here.

I don't know, looks like Ford was about to kiss Justin there, he's got a kissable face.

 

[TML fan]

They terk err jerbs!

 

[Kin]

The childhood home of a friend just sold. It was an ok 3 bedroom house in a not particularly nice part of the city. They got 1.2 million for it.

Seems to me that's almost certainly the fault of refugees who are well-known for all of their million dollar purchases.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/nationalpost/status/1016479370431598592
https://twitter.com/CBCPolitics/status/1017096490932670469
https://twitter.com/CBCToronto/status/1017240552197287936

Cool cool cool

 

[L K]

Ford's a moron.  At least he hasn't done anything that I wasn't expecting of him yet. 

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Ford's a moron.  At least he hasn't done anything that I wasn't expecting of him yet. 

I mean that's the sad thing. This is what people voted him in for. So he could bring back a sex ed program that was developed in 1998.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Perhaps Justin may have overstated the terms and Canada's obligations under the Refugee Convention Treaty law:


https://nationalpost.com/opinion/trudeau-is-exaggerating-what-international-refugee-law-compels-canada-to-do

 

[Andy007]

Jesus, no Green initiatives anywhere at all in any capacity. That is genuinely frightening. Not to mention putting a greater dependency on Oil and Gas which, ultimately, will just lead to more Middle East interference and occupation culminating in more terrorism. Nothing like an ignorant, selfish criminal in your corner!

In other Joke Premier news, depsite Hydro One being privatived, Ford was able to oust its CEO for a mere 400K......Of course, the only way for this guy to agree to leave and give up his meaty position and severance would be to give him incentive...so how about nearly 10 million in stock options and a 170K yearly pension? They sure showed him!

 

[L K]

Ford's a moron.  At least he hasn't done anything that I wasn't expecting of him yet. 

I mean that's the sad thing. This is what people voted him in for. So he could bring back a sex ed program that was developed in 1998.

Personally I'm looking forward to the increased incidence of teenage pregnancy I'll get to diagnose in the ER.  Nothing says good sexual education policy like "I pushed a baby out of me therefore I know everything about parenting".