Opening Forward Lines

[freer]

My gut tells me the starting 4th line will be Winnick-Santorelli-Orr.  Winnick & Santo will do mostly PK duty while Orr sits around and maybe loses 1 fight.  yaaaaaaaay

If that is the what happens, we can start the "Fire Carlyle" tread

 

[freer]

Did Bodie, clear waivers or was he picked up

 

[Boston Leaf]

Did Bodie, clear waivers or was he picked up

no one picked him up...cleared

 

[freer]

Did Bodie, clear waivers or was he picked up

no one picked him up...cleared

I am honestly surprised because of the cheapness of it.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Not sure how credible this is but:

@FAN590Walker 

Don't be surprised to learn of Carter Ashton trade (ala '13 Colborne) in next week. Won't get much, but don't think he'll stick with #Leafs

Depending on the return, if it's like Colborne, just another wasted player who could play at least ~10:00 on the 4th line over Frazon McLorrten.

 

[Highlander]

Who did we draft with the Colbourne pick. Is he even playing on Calgary?

 

[Deebo]

Who did we draft with the Colbourne pick. Is he even playing on Calgary?

He played 80 games year and scored 28 points.

The pick was the one included in the trade to get Roman Polak, St. Louis drafted G Ville Husso with the pick.

 

[Highlander]

thank you Deebo, Polak has looked good so far, lets hope he is a mainstay.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

So Friedman in his latest 30 Thoughts also states that Leafs are trying to find someone to take Ashton for a pick before going the waiver route.  Ridiculous if they're doing this so that Orr/McLaren can make the team.  Same as last season.

 

[bustaheims]

So Friedman in his latest 30 Thoughts also states that Leafs are trying to find someone to take Ashton for a pick before going the waiver route.  Ridiculous if they're doing this so that Orr/McLaren can make the team.  Same as last season.

Yeah. I mean, sure, if Ashton legitimately was able to make the roster, better to trade him than expose him to waivers, but, to make that move to keep a useless face puncher/punchee on the roster? That's absurd. If it plays out that way, I hope he lights it up wherever he ends up.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

So Friedman in his latest 30 Thoughts also states that Leafs are trying to find someone to take Ashton for a pick before going the waiver route.  Ridiculous if they're doing this so that Orr/McLaren can make the team.  Same as last season.

Yeah. I mean, sure, if Ashton legitimately was able to make the roster, better to trade him than expose him to waivers, but, to make that move to keep a useless face puncher/punchee on the roster? That's absurd. If it plays out that way, I hope he lights it up wherever he ends up.

And I don't think he'd be great somewhere else, but he's clearly shown he's more than capable in the AHL and he's obviously a better overall hockey player than both of those guys - so if they keep them over Ashton (as with Colborne) it's just deliberately making the team worse in favour of outdated thinking.

The kicker is that Ashton has a smaller cap hit than Orr too.

 

[Joe S.]

I'm finding it really hard not to hate this team, the coach and the management.

Clearly Nonis and Carlyle are on the same page, and I find this quite disheartening.

 

[Frank E]

So Friedman in his latest 30 Thoughts also states that Leafs are trying to find someone to take Ashton for a pick before going the waiver route.  Ridiculous if they're doing this so that Orr/McLaren can make the team.  Same as last season.

Yeah. I mean, sure, if Ashton legitimately was able to make the roster, better to trade him than expose him to waivers, but, to make that move to keep a useless face puncher/punchee on the roster? That's absurd. If it plays out that way, I hope he lights it up wherever he ends up.

And I don't think he'd be great somewhere else, but he's clearly shown he's more than capable in the AHL and he's obviously a better overall hockey player than both of those guys - so if they keep them over Ashton (as with Colborne) it's just deliberately making the team worse in favour of outdated thinking.

The kicker is that Ashton has a smaller cap hit than Orr too.

I think you're trying to combine two separate issues here...there are a couple of guys I'd put in Orr or McLaren's spot(s?) before Ashton, so I don't really have a problem with them trying to get something for him rather than lose him for nothing.

 

[L K]

So Friedman in his latest 30 Thoughts also states that Leafs are trying to find someone to take Ashton for a pick before going the waiver route.  Ridiculous if they're doing this so that Orr/McLaren can make the team.  Same as last season.

Yeah. I mean, sure, if Ashton legitimately was able to make the roster, better to trade him than expose him to waivers, but, to make that move to keep a useless face puncher/punchee on the roster? That's absurd. If it plays out that way, I hope he lights it up wherever he ends up.

And I don't think he'd be great somewhere else, but he's clearly shown he's more than capable in the AHL and he's obviously a better overall hockey player than both of those guys - so if they keep them over Ashton (as with Colborne) it's just deliberately making the team worse in favour of outdated thinking.

The kicker is that Ashton has a smaller cap hit than Orr too.

I think you're trying to combine two separate issues here...there are a couple of guys I'd put in Orr or McLaren's spot(s?) before Ashton, so I don't really have a problem with them trying to get something for him rather than lose him for nothing.

I think that is the thing to be careful about in this situation.  It is possible that Ashton is losing his spot to Leivo/Kozun instead.  Mind you with the injuries to Clarkson and Booth it is also likely that one or both of McLaren/Orr make the roster and that is just comedy if they are keeping them over Ashton...even as a 13th/14th forward.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

So Friedman in his latest 30 Thoughts also states that Leafs are trying to find someone to take Ashton for a pick before going the waiver route.  Ridiculous if they're doing this so that Orr/McLaren can make the team.  Same as last season.

Yeah. I mean, sure, if Ashton legitimately was able to make the roster, better to trade him than expose him to waivers, but, to make that move to keep a useless face puncher/punchee on the roster? That's absurd. If it plays out that way, I hope he lights it up wherever he ends up.

And I don't think he'd be great somewhere else, but he's clearly shown he's more than capable in the AHL and he's obviously a better overall hockey player than both of those guys - so if they keep them over Ashton (as with Colborne) it's just deliberately making the team worse in favour of outdated thinking.

The kicker is that Ashton has a smaller cap hit than Orr too.

I think you're trying to combine two separate issues here...there are a couple of guys I'd put in Orr or McLaren's spot(s?) before Ashton, so I don't really have a problem with them trying to get something for him rather than lose him for nothing.

I think that is the thing to be careful about in this situation.  It is possible that Ashton is losing his spot to Leivo/Kozun instead.  Mind you with the injuries to Clarkson and Booth it is also likely that one or both of McLaren/Orr make the roster and that is just comedy if they are keeping them over Ashton...even as a 13th/14th forward.

Just trying to view the roster based on Nonis/Carlyle's history.  Leivo doesn't have to pass through waivers, so I imagine they will have no issue with sending him back down if it means keeping him at the expense of one or two vets.  I mean, they've lasted this long over how many times better players could have taken their spots?

Carter Ashton
David Booth
Tyler Bozak
David Clarkson
Matt Frattin
Peter Holland
Nazem Kadri
Phil Kessel
Leo Komarov
Brandon Kozun
Josh Leivo
Joffrey Lupul
Frazer McLaren
William Nylander
Colton Orr
Mike Santorelli
James van Riemsdyk
Daniel Winnik

 

[AvroArrow]

I'm finding it really hard not to hate this team, the coach and the management.

Clearly Nonis and Carlyle are on the same page, and I find this quite disheartening.

I echo this.

 

[Britishbulldog]

So Friedman in his latest 30 Thoughts also states that Leafs are trying to find someone to take Ashton for a pick before going the waiver route.  Ridiculous if they're doing this so that Orr/McLaren can make the team.  Same as last season.

Yeah. I mean, sure, if Ashton legitimately was able to make the roster, better to trade him than expose him to waivers, but, to make that move to keep a useless face puncher/punchee on the roster? That's absurd. If it plays out that way, I hope he lights it up wherever he ends up.

Ashton is from Winnipeg so maybe he could be part of a multi player deal with the Jets....Infact not only does the Jets have a troubled young LWer and the heaviest player in the NHL, they also have one of the best face punchers in RW Anthony Peluso.  Maybe it will be Ashton for Peluso as the center pieces with some wingers and dmen to balance out the salaries.  [/silliness]

Sorry folks, I have not been this disappointed in the handling of the Leafs since 1989-90.

 

[Bates]

Sorry to split hairs but Ashton might have been born in Winnipeg but he is a Saskatoon boy and lives here in the off season.

So Friedman in his latest 30 Thoughts also states that Leafs are trying to find someone to take Ashton for a pick before going the waiver route.  Ridiculous if they're doing this so that Orr/McLaren can make the team.  Same as last season.

Yeah. I mean, sure, if Ashton legitimately was able to make the roster, better to trade him than expose him to waivers, but, to make that move to keep a useless face puncher/punchee on the roster? That's absurd. If it plays out that way, I hope he lights it up wherever he ends up.

Ashton is from Winnipeg so maybe he could be part of a multi player deal with the Jets....Infact not only does the Jets have a troubled young LWer and the heaviest player in the NHL, they also have one of the best face punchers in RW Anthony Peluso.  Maybe it will be Ashton for Peluso as the center pieces with some wingers and dmen to balance out the salaries.  [/silliness]

Sorry folks, I have not been this disappointed in the handling of the Leafs since 1989-90.

 

[Kin]

So at some point this is on Shanahan, right? Carlyle and Nonis are doing what they did before he got here which, rightly or wrongly, is clearly what they think is best for the club. Shanny is the guy who let that train keep on rolling. Either Shanahan agrees with this sort of thing, which is a serious problem, or he doesn't but is reluctant to make a decision in the best interest in the club which is somehow worse.

 

[Joe S.]

So at some point this is on Shanahan, right? Carlyle and Nonis are doing what they did before he got here which, rightly or wrongly, is clearly what they think is best for the club. Shanny is the guy who let that train keep on rolling. Either Shanahan agrees with this sort of thing, which is a serious problem, or he doesn't but is reluctant to make a decision in the best interest in the club which is somehow worse.

I agree with you - the only thing I can think of is that Shanahan is just treating this as a lost season, but I see no logic in that.

I don't think I've hated a coach this much since Tom Watt.... or maybe Mike Murphy...