OldTimeHockey
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Gardiner and Anderssen had terrible games but we can't rest it all at their feet. Getting just over 20 shots against a team as strong as Boston is never a recipe for success.
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Dappleganger said:Jake picked a shitty time have the worst game of his career.
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:Zee said:I'm not concerned about Matthews at all.BermudaBudsFan said:Perspective is hard this soon after, but despite their young age, there are some issues here.
I think there are some concerns about Matthews. He was largely ineffective and for a player of his talent and size it is of concern.
There have to be questions about Andersen. While some games he was great, in three of the games he was not. Is he consistent enough to be the guy? That isn?t clear to me.
The defence is bad. Really bad and if it isn?t fixed there won?t be much chance of being a Cup competitor at all. Not sure what they do about that. No more high picks to find a stud D-man.
There were of course some positives, but difficult to see those in the context of a Game 7 loss. It is so disappointing because the Bruins were there to be taken tonight.
Unless it's revealed that he's been playing hurt I agree with BBF on Matthews. My concerns are that we might be overrating him just a tad. He got neutralized and the very best of the best find ways not to be.
Guilt Trip said:It def will be interesting for sure to see what happens with the Leafs and what they do about Lou. I don't look at this as a set back.. It's a learning curve. End if the day only 1 team wins the cup. We just aren't good enough yet and some of that comes from experience and others from personnel. JVR despite his 3 pp goals is not a good 5v5 player. Bozak was actually pretty decent but again not very strong defensively. I'd like to think we've seen the last of Martin, Leo, JVR, Polak and Bozak in a Leafs uniform. Let's see who steps up from the Marlies like Dermott did this year. Kaps and Johnsson should have bigger roles next year.WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:It stings, but our core is still super green and will learn from this.
The next time they find themselves in this situation they'll be better versions of themselves and will have experience to draw from.
I am pretty excited to see what the team can do in the summer.
I hope Dubas is the GM.
I hope they let the UFA's walk.
I hope for at least one significant acquisition at both forward and defence.
I'm hoping Liljegren will be up with the club at least next season.cabber24 said:I don't even know why anyone would waster their breath discussing our forwards. The forwards clearly are not our problem. Defense, defense, defense, DEFENSE. How do we get better? Who do we sign/trade for?
Bullfrog said:Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:Zee said:I'm not concerned about Matthews at all.BermudaBudsFan said:Perspective is hard this soon after, but despite their young age, there are some issues here.
I think there are some concerns about Matthews. He was largely ineffective and for a player of his talent and size it is of concern.
There have to be questions about Andersen. While some games he was great, in three of the games he was not. Is he consistent enough to be the guy? That isn?t clear to me.
The defence is bad. Really bad and if it isn?t fixed there won?t be much chance of being a Cup competitor at all. Not sure what they do about that. No more high picks to find a stud D-man.
There were of course some positives, but difficult to see those in the context of a Game 7 loss. It is so disappointing because the Bruins were there to be taken tonight.
Unless it's revealed that he's been playing hurt I agree with BBF on Matthews. My concerns are that we might be overrating him just a tad. He got neutralized and the very best of the best find ways not to be.
Over the last two seasons: 5th most total goals despite playing 10-20 fewer (<----see that herman) games than most of the guys ahead of him, most even strength goals (tied with McDavid, but 20 fewer games), 3rd highest goals per game.
He's not overrated, he's flat out amazing and is only 20 years old.
Dappleganger said:Jake picked a shitty time have the worst game of his career.
Bullfrog said:Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:Zee said:I'm not concerned about Matthews at all.BermudaBudsFan said:Perspective is hard this soon after, but despite their young age, there are some issues here.
I think there are some concerns about Matthews. He was largely ineffective and for a player of his talent and size it is of concern.
There have to be questions about Andersen. While some games he was great, in three of the games he was not. Is he consistent enough to be the guy? That isn?t clear to me.
The defence is bad. Really bad and if it isn?t fixed there won?t be much chance of being a Cup competitor at all. Not sure what they do about that. No more high picks to find a stud D-man.
There were of course some positives, but difficult to see those in the context of a Game 7 loss. It is so disappointing because the Bruins were there to be taken tonight.
Unless it's revealed that he's been playing hurt I agree with BBF on Matthews. My concerns are that we might be overrating him just a tad. He got neutralized and the very best of the best find ways not to be.
Over the last two seasons: 5th most total goals despite playing 10-20 fewer (<----see that herman) games than most of the guys ahead of him, most even strength goals (tied with McDavid, but 20 fewer games), 3rd highest goals per game.
He's not overrated, he's flat out amazing and is only 20 years old.
mr grieves said:herman said:Zee said:I wonder if any of the reporters give Babcock a grilling on his ice time distribution. It was evident pretty early on that Gardiner was struggling and Dermott was playing well yet Gardner ends up playing 24 minutes to 11 for Dermott.
Kapanen scored an amazing shorty and be played under 9 minutes??? Like c'mon some of this is on the coach for not managing his team in game
The kids from the Marlies were nice-to-haves; I agree they're generally the better option, but the coach has gone through the entire season leaning on his prime players to pretty good effect and you sort of have to bank on that. I'd like Babcock to be faster on the uptake, but that's just how I see it.
I thought Kapanen and Johnsson should've been up with the Leafs last year instead of Matt Martin and whoever so that they'd be ready to be relied upon this year, but there's also their confidence and developmental readiness to account for. Johnsson said he appreciated the extra time they afforded him with the Marlies, rather than calling him up to be the franchise saviour and yo-yoing him when he inevitably faltered a bit.
Let's note, at this point, that the real back-breaker in that series -- and in game 7 particularly -- was one Jake DeBrusk. A 21 year old rookie who average 15 min/game during the series.
cabber24 said:I don't even know why anyone would waste their breath discussing our forwards. The forwards clearly are not our problem. Defense, defense, defense, DEFENSE. How do we get better? Who do we sign/trade for?
Frank E said:I know you've all been waiting for my opinion, so wait no more:
1. You play your best players when the game is on the line. They're the ones that have earned it all year, and you count on them to get up. DeBrusk is one of Boston's best forwards, he's a second line player that plays those minutes. The Leafs also have players his age, and younger, that played a lot more the DeBrusk did/does.
2. I think the Kadri suspension is where this series got decided. That suspension really hurt the lineup.
3. The Leafs counted on Andersen far too many times this year, and their luck ran out there.
4. Gardiner had a bad game, oh well. He's a 50 point defenseman this year, and one of the key guys that got this team into the playoffs. If the Leafs could replay that period, I'm pretty sure they'd play Gardiner again in those minutes.
5. I don't consider last night's game to be indicative of anything in particular, I'm more trying to look at the series overall. The 7 game series did show me that Matthews and Nylander have a fair bit of work to do to earn $10-$11 mil and $6-$7 mil on my Leafs team. Marner and Marleau played well. The newer kids played pretty darn well, all things considered.
6. Young team, didn't get it done, not really surprised. I'm looking forward to an interesting off-season.
CarltonTheBear said:Frank E said:I know you've all been waiting for my opinion, so wait no more:
1. You play your best players when the game is on the line. They're the ones that have earned it all year, and you count on them to get up. DeBrusk is one of Boston's best forwards, he's a second line player that plays those minutes. The Leafs also have players his age, and younger, that played a lot more the DeBrusk did/does.
2. I think the Kadri suspension is where this series got decided. That suspension really hurt the lineup.
3. The Leafs counted on Andersen far too many times this year, and their luck ran out there.
4. Gardiner had a bad game, oh well. He's a 50 point defenseman this year, and one of the key guys that got this team into the playoffs. If the Leafs could replay that period, I'm pretty sure they'd play Gardiner again in those minutes.
5. I don't consider last night's game to be indicative of anything in particular, I'm more trying to look at the series overall. The 7 game series did show me that Matthews and Nylander have a fair bit of work to do to earn $10-$11 mil and $6-$7 mil on my Leafs team. Marner and Marleau played well. The newer kids played pretty darn well, all things considered.
6. Young team, didn't get it done, not really surprised. I'm looking forward to an interesting off-season.
It pains me to say it but I agree with everything that Frank wrote.