Phil Kessel and trade value

[Kin]

Also, while it's a minor point, I think Ovechkin would have to get the edge on Stamkos in the contract department right now. The two years left at 7.5 are obviously a bargain for Tampa but after that? Stamkos might very well be the first guy in the league to get a max contract.

 

[dappleganger]

Also, while it's a minor point, I think Ovechkin would have to get the edge on Stamkos in the contract department right now. The two years left at 7.5 are obviously a bargain for Tampa but after that? Stamkos might very well be the first guy in the league to get a max contract...

...from the Toronto Maple Leafs.

 

[Frank E]

Also, while it's a minor point, I think Ovechkin would have to get the edge on Stamkos in the contract department right now. The two years left at 7.5 are obviously a bargain for Tampa but after that? Stamkos might very well be the first guy in the league to get a max contract.

What is a max contract in the NHL these days?  Like what % of the cap?

 

[bustaheims]

What is a max contract in the NHL these days?  Like what % of the cap?

20% of whatever the cap is at the time the contract is signed.

 

[Frank E]

What is a max contract in the NHL these days?  Like what % of the cap?

20% of whatever the cap is at the time the contract is signed.

Wow...$14 mil in today's cap.  Thanks busta.  If it goes to $75mil by the time Stamkos is UFA, $15 mil would be max.  That's not an easy number to fit into your payroll.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Somewhat off topic, I read a post re. zone exits on PPP this morning.  It looked at zone exits for forwards over the first 46 games of last season, turnover %, possession, etc.  Kessel actually had very good numbers in all categories.  Clarkson was battling Orr for the worst numbers - which surprised me as I didn't think he was quite that bad.

Anyway, interesting read FWIW. 

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2014/8/14/5997057/2013-14-first-half-zone-exits-for-leafs-forwards

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Somewhat off topic, I read a post re. zone exits on PPP this morning.  It looked at zone exits for forwards over the first 46 games of last season, turnover %, possession, etc.  Kessel actually had very good numbers in all categories.  Clarkson was battling Orr for the worst numbers - which surprised me as I didn't think he was quite that bad.

Anyway, interesting read FWIW. 

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2014/8/14/5997057/2013-14-first-half-zone-exits-for-leafs-forwards

Whatever nerd came up with those numbers needs to watch the games!  ;D

 

[Rebel_1812]

Somewhat off topic, I read a post re. zone exits on PPP this morning.  It looked at zone exits for forwards over the first 46 games of last season, turnover %, possession, etc.  Kessel actually had very good numbers in all categories.  Clarkson was battling Orr for the worst numbers - which surprised me as I didn't think he was quite that bad.

Anyway, interesting read FWIW. 

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2014/8/14/5997057/2013-14-first-half-zone-exits-for-leafs-forwards

Whatever nerd came up with those numbers needs to watch the games!  ;D

NERDS!!!!!!

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Somewhat off topic, I read a post re. zone exits on PPP this morning.  It looked at zone exits for forwards over the first 46 games of last season, turnover %, possession, etc.  Kessel actually had very good numbers in all categories.  Clarkson was battling Orr for the worst numbers - which surprised me as I didn't think he was quite that bad.

Anyway, interesting read FWIW. 

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2014/8/14/5997057/2013-14-first-half-zone-exits-for-leafs-forwards

Here's the companion piece - zone entries: http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2014/8/26/6055497/2013-14-first-half-zone-entries-for-maple-leafs-forwards

Kessel best.

 

[hockeyfan1]

Somewhat off topic, I read a post re. zone exits on PPP this morning.  It looked at zone exits for forwards over the first 46 games of last season, turnover %, possession, etc.  Kessel actually had very good numbers in all categories.  Clarkson was battling Orr for the worst numbers - which surprised me as I didn't think he was quite that bad.

Anyway, interesting read FWIW. 

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2014/8/14/5997057/2013-14-first-half-zone-exits-for-leafs-forwards

Here's the companion piece - zone entries: http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2014/8/26/6055497/2013-14-first-half-zone-entries-for-maple-leafs-forwards

Kessel best.

Comes to show just how much of a workload Kessel & JVR do for that first line.  Bozak, not so  much.

From the article:
...your #1 centre has got to be involved in advancing the puck and generating offence, and Tyler Bozak isn't...
his success rate suggests that he does have some skill at zone entries. But whatever the reason for his limited involvement, it's pretty evident that Kessel and JVR are doing the heavy lifting on that line and Bozak is just along for the ride. That's a problem.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

Somewhat off topic, I read a post re. zone exits on PPP this morning.  It looked at zone exits for forwards over the first 46 games of last season, turnover %, possession, etc.  Kessel actually had very good numbers in all categories.  Clarkson was battling Orr for the worst numbers - which surprised me as I didn't think he was quite that bad.

Anyway, interesting read FWIW. 

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2014/8/14/5997057/2013-14-first-half-zone-exits-for-leafs-forwards

Here's the companion piece - zone entries: http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2014/8/26/6055497/2013-14-first-half-zone-entries-for-maple-leafs-forwards

Kessel best.

Comes to show just how much of a workload Kessel & JVR do for that first line.  Bozak, not so  much.

From the article:
...your #1 centre has got to be involved in advancing the puck and generating offence, and Tyler Bozak isn't...
his success rate suggests that he does have some skill at zone entries. But whatever the reason for his limited involvement, it's pretty evident that Kessel and JVR are doing the heavy lifting on that line and Bozak is just along for the ride. That's a problem.

I'm no stats guy but somehow that doesn't really surprise me.

Kessel and JVR are the most talented guys on the line. Seems to me they both are better carriers of the puck too (puck-handling/stick-handling what have you).

Now I do agree that Bozak isn't a #1C that I'd expect to win the Cup with ("That's a problem") but I don't think I need advanced stats  to know that.

 

[freer]

Somewhat off topic, I read a post re. zone exits on PPP this morning.  It looked at zone exits for forwards over the first 46 games of last season, turnover %, possession, etc.  Kessel actually had very good numbers in all categories.  Clarkson was battling Orr for the worst numbers - which surprised me as I didn't think he was quite that bad.

Anyway, interesting read FWIW. 

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2014/8/14/5997057/2013-14-first-half-zone-exits-for-leafs-forwards

Here's the companion piece - zone entries: http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2014/8/26/6055497/2013-14-first-half-zone-entries-for-maple-leafs-forwards

Kessel best.

Comes to show just how much of a workload Kessel & JVR do for that first line.  Bozak, not so  much.

From the article:
...your #1 centre has got to be involved in advancing the puck and generating offence, and Tyler Bozak isn't...
his success rate suggests that he does have some skill at zone entries. But whatever the reason for his limited involvement, it's pretty evident that Kessel and JVR are doing the heavy lifting on that line and Bozak is just along for the ride. That's a problem.

I'm no stats guy but somehow that doesn't really surprise me.

Kessel and JVR are the most talented guys on the line. Seems to me they both are better carriers of the puck too (puck-handling/stick-handling what have you).

Now I do agree that Bozak isn't a #1C that I'd expect to win the Cup with ("That's a problem") but I don't think I need advanced stats  to know that.

Well there is no "1st line center" coming to TO in the near future. So we better get use to it. Kadri is not a "1st line center" either. So we as fans better be happy with a couple of 2nd line centers until management can find one.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Somewhat off topic, I read a post re. zone exits on PPP this morning.  It looked at zone exits for forwards over the first 46 games of last season, turnover %, possession, etc.  Kessel actually had very good numbers in all categories.  Clarkson was battling Orr for the worst numbers - which surprised me as I didn't think he was quite that bad.

Anyway, interesting read FWIW. 

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2014/8/14/5997057/2013-14-first-half-zone-exits-for-leafs-forwards

Here's the companion piece - zone entries: http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2014/8/26/6055497/2013-14-first-half-zone-entries-for-maple-leafs-forwards

Kessel best.

I just saw that.  His numbers are pretty impressive.  I'm hopeful the analytics dept. will make an argument for Holland getting more playing time and more opportunity this season as, based on his numbers, he appears to have some potential. 

 

[Bender]

I've been getting derided all day for defending Kessel on an article doing a retrospective on the trade. It's so frustrating being a Leafs fan sometimes. Me: Kessel's a pretty good player.
Them: KEEP DREAMING LEAFS FAN, ONE DIMENSIONAL TROLLOLOL. YOU KNOW NOTHING.

There's so much irony there you can taste it.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Well there is no "1st line center" coming to TO in the near future. So we better get use to it. Kadri is not a "1st line center" either. So we as fans better be happy with a couple of 2nd line centers until management can find one.

I'm not betting against Kadri at this point. I think he's primed for a breakout year, contract year, apparent desire to be the #1 in Toronto and he's around the age when players do that sort of thing.

He may not, but things are aligning for him to take it.

 

[Bullfrog]

I'm with you BWB. I think we're going to see continued progression from Kadri. It wouldn't shock me to see him flirt with 70+ points this season.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I'm with you BWB. I think we're going to see continued progression from Kadri. It wouldn't shock me to see him flirt with 70+ points this season.

I think that could happen, but he'll need to get top unit PP time on a regular basis.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I'm with you BWB. I think we're going to see continued progression from Kadri. It wouldn't shock me to see him flirt with 70+ points this season.

I think that's pretty much impossible unless they make him the 1st line C.  Bozak averaged over 2:00 more ice time per game at even-strength than Kadri last season and ~:20 more PP time per game.  I just don't think he'd get enough ice-time with the necessary linemates to put up those kinds of numbers if he remains in the position he was in last season.

He really deserves to be the #1 C on the PP at least though, but I could understand why they might want to spread the offense out between the two units like they have.

 

[Kin]

I'm with you BWB. I think we're going to see continued progression from Kadri. It wouldn't shock me to see him flirt with 70+ points this season.

I think that could happen, but he'll need to get top unit PP time on a regular basis.

Well, that or Lupul would have to have a good year and they'd have to find a good winger to join them. There'll be a lot of talent on that second unit PP.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

I'm with you BWB. I think we're going to see continued progression from Kadri. It wouldn't shock me to see him flirt with 70+ points this season.

I think that's pretty much impossible unless they make him the 1st line C.  Bozak averaged over 2:00 more ice time per game at even-strength than Kadri last season and ~:20 more PP time per game.  I just don't think he'd get enough ice-time with the necessary linemates to put up those kinds of numbers if he remains in the position he was in last season.

He really deserves to be the #1 C on the PP at least though, but I could understand why they might want to spread the offense out between the two units like they have.

I believe Kadri is basically going to take the time from Bozak on account of his play. He could also not raise his game, but I don't feel that is going to happen, he's too skilled and his drive is a big part of his game. I say he puts it all together.

At the very least, I think he'll be the top center on the top PP.

I also agree with above, if his line mates come to play also, he'll get more points that way. I have a suspicion that he'll start the season with Lupul and Booth and end with Kessel and JvR.

We'll see.