Potential Expansion Draft Rules

[Bates]

I go to Vegas fairly regularly and I don't gamble or party.  There is so much to do there with shows, concerts, restaurants,  etc...

 

[Kin]

Either way, I'm pretty sure that the reason that visiting players in New York didn't lose their mind getting wasted wasn't the thriving theatre scene or the first-rate symphony.

 

[bustaheims]

Either way, I'm pretty sure that the reason that visiting players in New York didn't lose their mind getting wasted wasn't the thriving theatre scene or the first-rate symphony.

It's almost like these guys are professionals.

 

[Bates]

Vast majority are but there are still some Robiero's and Radulov's around.  But every City offers them the same temptation that Vegas does.

Either way, I'm pretty sure that the reason that visiting players in New York didn't lose their mind getting wasted wasn't the thriving theatre scene or the first-rate symphony.

It's almost like these guys are professionals.

 

[hockeyfan1]

The Las Vegas Knights (without the word Black) sounds best.  Not too long, not too short.

If it the article rings true, then let it be.  Viva Las Vegas!

 

[Redleaf]

The Las Vegas Knights (without the word Black) sounds best.  Not too long, not too short.

If it the article rings true, then let it be.  Viva Las Vegas!

Has to be the Las Vegas Aces, doesn't it?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Chris Johnson had an update on the expansion draft rules last week, doesn't seem like it was posted here yet: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-teams-receiving-information-potential-expansion-draft/

A minimum of two forwards and one defenceman must be exposed who have played 40 games the previous season, or a total of 70 over the previous two.

There is also a requirement that the 40/70 players are under contract for the first expansion season.

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Players holding no-movement clauses ? including those modified by limited no-trades, such as Pittsburgh Penguins goalie Marc-Andre Fleury ? count against the protection limit, provided that those contracts and clauses extend through the 2017-18 season.

However, players with no-movement clauses on deals that expire June 30, 2017 like Calgary Flames defenceman Dennis Wideman or Minnesota Wild forward Thomas Vanek wouldn't have to be protected for a draft that is likely to be held a week or two beforehand.

Teams will also be permitted to ask players to waive their no-movement clauses for inclusion in the expansion draft.

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Players with two years of professional experience or less will be exempt from the process. Determining who that covers is based on the definition included in the collective bargaining agreement ? meaning that 10 games played in the NHL at age 18 or 19 counts as a season, as does any American Hockey League or NHL season for players older than that.

Earlier it was said that Nylander would have to be protected, but this reading of the rule would suggest that he'll be exempt. It's basically the same way they decide if a contract slides or not. Nylander's first season in the AHL as a 19-year old wouldn't count.

 

[Peter D.]

I'm not fond of the fact that the NHL is going to make it easier for the new franchise to be competitive much earlier than what it usually takes for an expansion team.  Screw that -- they should suffer for a few years at the bottom of the league and spend that time building up their talent pool.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I'm not fond of the fact that the NHL is going to make it easier for the new franchise to be competitive much earlier than what it usually takes for an expansion team.  Screw that -- they should suffer for a few years at the bottom of the league and spend that time building up their talent pool.

I'd be pretty surprised if Vegas isn't a bottom-3 team in their first season. That GP requirement doesn't really mean much. They're still not going to have a single 1st line forward or top pairing defenceman (unless they find one in free agency).

 

[bustaheims]

Earlier it was said that Nylander would have to be protected, but this reading of the rule would suggest that he'll be exempt. It's basically the same way they decide if a contract slides or not. Nylander's first season in the AHL as a 19-year old wouldn't count.

It does mean that Brown and Leipsic would have to be protected, though - but, Horton will almost certainly be willing to waive his NMC.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

It does mean that Brown and Leipsic would have to be protected, though - but, Horton will almost certainly be willing to waive his NMC.

I don't think that was ever really in doubt, but yeah they'd need protection. Leipsic I wouldn't really care about. Brown's play this season will determine whether he's worth protecting or not.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I'm struggling to name 7 Leafs forwards who would even deserve protection...

Kadri, JVR, Komarov... and I'm stuck. Two of Holland, Lupul, and Bozak would have to be exposed to meet the GP requirement. So protecting someone like Brown and even Leipsic shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Coco-puffs]

Chris Johnson had an update on the expansion draft rules last week, doesn't seem like it was posted here yet: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-teams-receiving-information-potential-expansion-draft/

A minimum of two forwards and one defenceman must be exposed who have played 40 games the previous season, or a total of 70 over the previous two.

There is also a requirement that the 40/70 players are under contract for the first expansion season.

...

Players holding no-movement clauses ? including those modified by limited no-trades, such as Pittsburgh Penguins goalie Marc-Andre Fleury ? count against the protection limit, provided that those contracts and clauses extend through the 2017-18 season.

However, players with no-movement clauses on deals that expire June 30, 2017 like Calgary Flames defenceman Dennis Wideman or Minnesota Wild forward Thomas Vanek wouldn't have to be protected for a draft that is likely to be held a week or two beforehand.

Teams will also be permitted to ask players to waive their no-movement clauses for inclusion in the expansion draft.

...

Players with two years of professional experience or less will be exempt from the process. Determining who that covers is based on the definition included in the collective bargaining agreement ? meaning that 10 games played in the NHL at age 18 or 19 counts as a season, as does any American Hockey League or NHL season for players older than that.

Earlier it was said that Nylander would have to be protected, but this reading of the rule would suggest that he'll be exempt. It's basically the same way they decide if a contract slides or not. Nylander's first season in the AHL as a 19-year old wouldn't count.

Let's hope!  It seemed that Bill Daly's comment to Darren Dreger contradicts that, but in both cases (his comments, and the above) the details are not finalized.  I think it makes sense for it to match the ELC rules for players.  If you are still on your ELC entering the 2017-2018 season, you are exempt.  Furthermore, if you were a college or european player, two or less seasons also makes you exempt (ie Hyman, Soshnikov, Zaitsev).  That would be the best case scenario for the Leafs.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Horton will almost certainly be willing to waive his NMC.

I didn't realize this until now but Horton's NMC actually expires at the end of the 16/17 season, and turns into a limited NTC after that. So we can expose him no problem.

 

[bustaheims]

I'm struggling to name 7 Leafs forwards who would even deserve protection...

Kadri, JVR, Komarov... and I'm stuck. Two of Holland, Lupul, and Bozak would have to be exposed to meet the GP requirement. So protecting someone like Brown and even Leipsic shouldn't be a problem.

Yeah. As things stand now, there's room. It's more interesting on D - as things stand now, the protected D are likely Rielly, Gardiner, and Carrick. Corrado, Marincin, and some older prospects would be exposed. Likely where the Leafs will lose a man. Also, may impact any moves made to add a defenceman.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Yeah. As things stand now, there's room. It's more interesting on D - as things stand now, the protected D are likely Rielly, Gardiner, and Carrick. Corrado, Marincin, and some older prospects would be exposed. Likely where the Leafs will lose a man. Also, may impact any moves made to add a defenceman.

I'd probably protect Marincin over Carrick, although there's still a season of play to decide that. Or we could go the 2nd route and protect 4 defencemen. It's only 8 skaters + a goalie if you do that but that could still work.

Protect Kadri, JVR, Komarov, Brown, Rielly, Gardiner, Marincin, Carrick, Bernier. Horton, Lupul, and Bozak would be exposed on forward. Holland and Corrado don't currently have contracts for then but assuming they do they would help get to the GP requirement.

 

[bustaheims]

I didn't realize this until now but Horton's NMC actually expires at the end of the 16/17 season, and turns into a limited NTC after that. So we can expose him no problem.

Even better.

 

[bustaheims]

I'd probably protect Marincin over Carrick, although there's still a season of play to decide that. Or we could go the 2nd route and protect 4 defencemen. It's only 8 skaters + a goalie if you do that but that could still work. Protect Kadri, JVR, Komarov, Brown, Rielly, Gardiner, Marincin, Carrick, Bernier.

Unless Bernier earns a new contract, he won't have to be protected. The Leafs probably don't have a goalie in the system right now they'll feel the need to protect.

 

[herman]

I'm struggling to name 7 Leafs forwards who would even deserve protection...

Kadri, JVR, Komarov... and I'm stuck. Two of Holland, Lupul, and Bozak would have to be exposed to meet the GP requirement. So protecting someone like Brown and even Leipsic shouldn't be a problem.

Yeah. As things stand now, there's room. It's more interesting on D - as things stand now, the protected D are likely Rielly, Gardiner, and Carrick. Corrado, Marincin, and some older prospects would be exposed. Likely where the Leafs will lose a man. Also, may impact any moves made to add a defenceman.

Hence this season being the perfect time to not do anything drastic and play out what we have to see what we really have.

I'd still trade JvR but maybe for a high pick and prospect, rather than an established player.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Unless Bernier earns a new contract, he won't have to be protected. The Leafs probably don't have a goalie in the system right now they'll feel the need to protect.

Sure, but whether a goalie is protected or not doesn't make a difference to the rest, so I just threw him in there as a placeholder at least.