Potential Expansion Draft Rules

[bustaheims]

Sure but Boston had, what, a 1% chance of winning the lottery? And like a 4% chance of moving up?

Yeah. 1% and less than 3.4%. Not a big deal at all.

 

[Peter D.]

Yes.  But Bettman admitting that they will do whatever they can to get the team competitive earlier than any other expansion team is ridiculous to me. 

Foley paid $500 million to join the big boys club.  Giving him a quicker return on investment should have no bearing at all.

 

[Kin]

I don't see where it's a big deal.  They're highly likely to have a lottery (non-playoff) pick those years anyway and the assurance will make no difference either way.  At most, it gives them a remote lottery chance if they should happen to squeak into the playoffs.

Not to mention...the Leafs this year won the Lottery and that's great for us but it is also a sign that tanking, and pretty blatant naked tanking, is a smart strategy. I really don't think, with that message fresh in people's minds, you want to put a team in a market unfamiliar with hockey and then give them too much incentive to tank and put a garbage team on the ice for years. At that point why even expand? You desperately want to avoid another Columbus or Atlanta situation.

 

[Kin]

Yes.  But Bettman admitting that they will do whatever they can to get the team competitive earlier than any other expansion team is ridiculous to me. 

Foley paid $500 million to join the big boys club.  Giving him a quicker return on investment should have no bearing at all.

Well, except it makes a ton of sense financially. Especially if you figure that the NHL probably wanted that 500 million dollar check more than Foley wanted to write it.

I think overly punitive restrictions on expansion teams has really hurt a lot of them in the past. I think it more or less killed Atlanta and in the NBA I think it killed Vancouver. The NFL who, like them or not are great at making money, have given all of their recent expansion teams the #1 pick and forgot about it.

 

[bustaheims]

Yes.  But Bettman admitting that they will do whatever they can to get the team competitive earlier than any other expansion team is ridiculous to me. 

Foley paid $500 million to join the big boys club.  Giving him a quicker return on investment should have no bearing at all.

I don't think it's necessarily a money thing. Bettman and the BoG have been focused on competitive balance for more than a decade now. This is in-line with that thinking. They're trying to prevent the Vegas team from ending up like Columbus, Atlanta, etc.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I'll wait to see how the expansion draft actually plays out before I get too worked up about the league trying to make the team as competitive as possible. We're still probably looking at a team filled with everyone's 6th or 7th best forwards and 4th or 5th best defenceman plus a back-up goalie. They probably won't be sniffing at the playoffs for a little while.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

31 teams now so if you think about it that 31st overall pick this year is basically a 1st rounder.

 

[bustaheims]

FriedgeHNIC: Bill Daly clears up one misconception: LV is not guaranteed a lottery pick for four years. After Season I, determined by standings

 

[herman]

From General Fanager:
With @StapeNewsday confirmation on Pulock #NHLExpansion status, we have confirmed the following clarification:

tl:dr Kerby Rychel is expansion eligible and will require protection (if we want to).

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Looks like Vegas will have a pretty decent pool of middle-6 forwards to select from Detroit. They've got a ton of players eligible for the draft, and having to protect Mantha now doesn't make things easier. I'm guessing they go Zetterberg, Nielsen, Nyquist, Abdelkader, Helm, Mantha, Glendening.

That would leave Tatar, Sheahan, Jurco, Pulkkinen, and Athanasiou all exposed.

 

[Deebo]

Looks like Vegas will have a pretty decent pool of middle-6 forwards to select from Detroit. They've got a ton of players eligible for the draft, and having to protect Mantha now doesn't make things easier. I'm guessing they go Zetterberg, Nielsen, Nyquist, Abdelkader, Helm, Mantha, Glendening.

That would leave Tatar, Sheahan, Jurco, Pulkkinen, and Athanasiou all exposed.

Each team can only lose one player to expansion, right?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Looks like Vegas will have a pretty decent pool of middle-6 forwards to select from Detroit. They've got a ton of players eligible for the draft, and having to protect Mantha now doesn't make things easier. I'm guessing they go Zetterberg, Nielsen, Nyquist, Abdelkader, Helm, Mantha, Glendening.

That would leave Tatar, Sheahan, Jurco, Pulkkinen, and Athanasiou all exposed.

Each team can only lose one player to expansion, right?

Yeah, correct. Howard will likely be exposed too unless they make a trade before then. So best-case scenario for the Wings would be if Vegas wanted a more veteran starting goalie and decided to pluck him up instead.

 

[Zee]

What are the expansion draft rules around moving a player from defense to wing?  Let's say you have a player that you want to expose as a forward but he's currently playing defense.  Can you suddenly say you're moving him to forward and then use him as an exposed forward?  Or has he had to play a certain number of games in that position?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

What are the expansion draft rules around moving a player from defense to wing?  Let's say you have a player that you want to expose as a forward but he's currently playing defense.  Can you suddenly say you're moving him to forward and then use him as an exposed forward?  Or has he had to play a certain number of games in that position?

I think the league will just use common sense here. There's really nobody in the league who this would currently apply to right now. Even guys like Byfuglien and Burns who used to play forward are 100% considered defencemen now.

 

[Zee]

What are the expansion draft rules around moving a player from defense to wing?  Let's say you have a player that you want to expose as a forward but he's currently playing defense.  Can you suddenly say you're moving him to forward and then use him as an exposed forward?  Or has he had to play a certain number of games in that position?

I think the league will just use common sense here. There's really nobody in the league who this would currently apply to right now. Even guys like Byfuglien and Burns who used to play forward are 100% considered defencemen now.

You would think, but unless it's written down as a specific rule I wouldn't put it past any GM trying to use a loophole like this if it benefits them.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

You would think, but unless it's written down as a specific rule I wouldn't put it past any GM trying to use a loophole like this if it benefits them.

There must be some kind of "no circumvention" rule written in, especially since they specifically created a new option for teams who want to protect more than 3 defenceman.

 

[Kin]

You would think, but unless it's written down as a specific rule I wouldn't put it past any GM trying to use a loophole like this if it benefits them.

The league has a pretty broad latitude to punish its teams. Remember, the Devils fine for Kovalchuk was because they violated the "spirit" of th cap rather than any written rule.

 

[herman]

Would be pretty easy to stipulate which player qualifies as what based on percentage of games played the last two seasons per official lineup cards.

 

[herman]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-unveil-protected-available-player-lists-expansion-draft/

The NHL has learned that drama = money.

 

[herman]

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/nhl-expansion-draft/2017/6/1/15726394/toronto-maple-leafs-nhl-announces-more-expansion-draft-rules

It has been previously reported that waiving of a no-move clause is for the expansion draft only. The clause is re-instated after if they are selected or not.

June 12: Deadline for teams to ask that a player waive their no-move clause. For Nashville and Pittsburgh, the deadline is the day after the cup final if that?s later than June 12. The time is 5 p.m. (all times are Eastern Time).

June 14: The last possible day for the Stanley Cup Final

June 15: The buyout window opens. For players with no-move clauses, the team must ask first if they wish to go through waivers before being bought out. To effect a buyout prior to the expansion draft, that request has to be made on this day.

June 16: Last chance to place players on waivers is noon. Players who were asked to waive their no-move clause for the expansion draft have until 5 p.m. to agree.

June 17: Waiver and trade freeze begins at 3 p.m. for all teams except Vegas. A moratorium on signing players to new SPCs begins at the same time (this includes a team?s UFAs and RFAs as well as any other new signing). The protection lists must be submitted by 5 p.m.

June 18: The NHL will distribute the approved lists by 10 a.m. to all NHL teams. The exposed UFA/RFA interview period for Vegas opens at the same time.

June 21: Vegas must submit their list of the lucky 30 players to the NHL by 10 a.m. and include any new SPCs signed for free agents. The names will be released as part of the NHL awards that evening.

June 22: The trade, signing and waiver freeze is lifted at 8 a.m. and all returns to normal.