Randy Carlyle/Leaf Coach thread

[Highlander]

Potvin29 has made a very interesting suggestion about Spott. If he will not tolerate 40 shots a night and demands the team take less than 30 perfering 25 and can impliment this philosphy on a consistant basis, that means we are guaranteed of having one less goal scored on us a game.
It also means we are spending more time with the puck in the offensive end which may mean we score a goal more per game.  Now where would we be sitting right now in the standings with a 2 goal cushion per game?
Randy's insistance on holding on to Molten Orr, McClaren (for so long), overplaying McClemment instead of utilizing Holland, Ashton, D'Amigo in the lineup. Having an energized 4th line to spell the rest of the team. His belittling of Reimer when a firm vote of belief might have spelled some confidence in the lad and yes Reimer is still..just a lad. Randys insistance on letting another team shoot as many pucks as they like at our net (as long as they are from the periphery) and counting on magical goaltending to make this work. 
Spott obviously does not agree does he?
A lot of us on this site believed when Wilson was fired Eakins should have been given a shot at the head of the team but we went out and got ourselves a dinosaur. Hopefully this will not happen again. Spott has a great record with the Marlies with a squad that was thought to be weak at the beginning of the season. Thanks for suggesting this Potvin, it is the only move coaching wise that would seem to make sense and keep us from the retreads out there.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Potvin29 has made a very interesting suggestion about Spott. If he will not tolerate 40 shots a night and demands the team take less than 30 perfering 25 and can impliment this philosphy on a consistant basis, that means we are guaranteed of having one less goal scored on us a game.

I was really just bringing it up to highlight the difference in attitudes displayed by each coach, as I can't really comment on Spott's qualifications or lack thereof.  It's one thing to say it and another to be able to implement it.

I'm sure he'd be considered to some degree but he hasn't been coaching at the pro level for very long.

 

[Highlander]

That may be a good thing, we can have a slew of retread candidates that have lost several teams on their hike through the NHL. Keegan, LaViolette, Wilson, the soon to be fired Totorella and others, all candidates that have lost several teams.
It remains to be seen if Eakins will (or has) lost Edmonton but at least he will be given 3 years to tutor a very young and talented group of guys.
What I like is that Spott has found success at the pro level in a very short span of time. Conjecture was that the Marlies would flounder this year that they lost to many veterans and where running on all the newbie draft picks. So what would we all prefer to keep Randy with his shoot me mentality or go for a guy that says I will not tolerate 40 shots a night.
Anyway that is my rant for today..

 

[OldTimeHockey]

What success has Spott found at the pro level?

Saying and doing are two completely different things.

 

[Highlander]

Leading his division by something like 13 points

 

[Palmateer29]

What success has Spott found at the pro level?

Saying and doing are two completely different things.

If you think about it what success has Randy had at the pro level? He won a Stanley Cup...as long as we find ourselves with Niedermeyer, Pronger, Getzlaf, Perry and Selanne next year he can win one here as well...

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

What success has Spott found at the pro level?

Saying and doing are two completely different things.

Considering this is his first pro season....

 

[Kin]

If you think about it what success has Randy had at the pro level? He won a Stanley Cup...as long as we find ourselves with Niedermeyer, Pronger, Getzlaf, Perry and Selanne next year he can win one here as well...

So the only thing that counts as pro success is winning a Stanley Cup without good players? Because then no coach has ever had pro success.

 

[Boston Leaf]

well a lot of folks gushed about Dallas Eakens and how great he is with young guys.. didn't work out too well this year in edmonton

 

[bustaheims]

What success has Spott found at the pro level?

Saying and doing are two completely different things.

Every coach starts their career with no success at the pro level. They've got to start somewhere. If they're good coaches, whether or not they have had success at the pro level before being hired doesn't matter.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

What success has Spott found at the pro level?

Saying and doing are two completely different things.

Considering this is his first pro season....

I was skeptical about Spott at first. Wasn't crazy about his WJC team decisions, but that's a tough spot to judge a coach. Gotta give him credit though, he's taken a very, very young AHL team to a division title. He's still not on my list to replace Carlyle, but I'm happy to have him with the Marlies.

 

[AvroArrow]

See, I wish we had removed Carlyle after the first huge losing streak.  We could have brought someone like this Spott in with an interim tag for the remainder of this season, which would have been an official audition.  If he fails, get someone else in the offseason.  If he succeeds, then great.

 

[Bullfrog]

Just not Tortorella. Just not him.

What about any of the assistant coaches? Cronin or Gordon?

 

[OldTimeHockey]

What success has Spott found at the pro level?

Saying and doing are two completely different things.

Every coach starts their career with no success at the pro level. They've got to start somewhere. If they're good coaches, whether or not they have had success at the pro level before being hired doesn't matter.

That was exactly my point though. Someone stated he had success....I asked where and when? I wasn't necessarily saying bringing in Spott was a bad idea. I just questioned the success.

What I like is that Spott has found success at the pro level in a very short span of time

How? By having a team that played at virtually same rate last season do it again?

Again, not saying he's a good or bad coach.

 

[bustaheims]

Just not Tortorella. Just not him.

What about any of the assistant coaches? Cronin or Gordon?

Cronin's the guy who's been spouting off the wildly inaccurate scoring chance and time on attack numbers. I'm not sure if that's because he really believes it or because of the way Carlyle has instructed his staff to determine what is and isn't a scoring chance, etc., but, I'd pass on him.

 

[L K]

Just not Tortorella. Just not him.

What about any of the assistant coaches? Cronin or Gordon?

Cronin's the guy who's been spouting off the wildly inaccurate scoring chance and time on attack numbers. I'm not sure if that's because he really believes it or because of the way Carlyle has instructed his staff to determine what is and isn't a scoring chance, etc., but, I'd pass on him.

I know sometimes you want to have a hold-over, but I want this staff purged.  And if the scouting staff is so messed up with things like Clarkson assessments, maybe the professional scouting staff should be let go too.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

How? By having a team that played at virtually same rate last season do it again?

Again, not saying he's a good or bad coach.

He lost 9 of last seasons top-11 scorers. There were a lot of massive holes on this team that had to be filled by young players.

 

[pnjunction]

Just not Tortorella. Just not him.

What about any of the assistant coaches? Cronin or Gordon?

Cronin's the guy who's been spouting off the wildly inaccurate scoring chance and time on attack numbers. I'm not sure if that's because he really believes it or because of the way Carlyle has instructed his staff to determine what is and isn't a scoring chance, etc., but, I'd pass on him.

Yeah he seems to be chugging the current Carlyle Kool-aid if not helping to mix it.  No thanks.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

That was exactly my point though. Someone stated he had success....I asked where and when? I wasn't necessarily saying bringing in Spott was a bad idea. I just questioned the success.

Quoting that poster would probably help understand what he meant by success, but I'll go out on a limb and guess that, seeing as how he's not finished his first pro season as coach, by "success" he means his record thus far is successful.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I know sometimes you want to have a hold-over, but I want this staff purged.  And if the scouting staff is so messed up with things like Clarkson assessments, maybe the professional scouting staff should be let go too.

You know Mike Penny is still a pro scout for this team? The dudes been with the Leafs for 14 years. That's nuts. Steve Kaspar, Rob Cowie and Tom Watt are the other pro scouts, and they were all hired in 2009. Those three would have been hired by Burke, so it makes sense that Nonis would keep them on as he probably had a hand in their hiring as well. Maybe a new GM would clean house in that department.