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Randy Carlyle/Leaf Coach thread

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Corn Flake said:
AvroArrow said:
Corn Flake said:
And what suggests Carlyle is trying to make them into a defensive team?

The passive, back-up-and-defend-the-net style he employs?

I think that's called trying to find anything that might make them be able to defend even a little bit. 

Why take the absolute weakest part of your game and make it the focal point of your entire approach? All it does is diminish the strengths of your team. If the Leafs could spend even half the time they do defending, with the puck in the other end, then just by virtue of that they'd be a better defensive team than they are. Even a basic defensive system where everyone just plays positional hockey would be better than the crap Carlyle has them playing every night. With the team they have, they should be focusing on generating offence not trying to fix what is so obviously and irreparably broken. The only solution to that is to get better defensive players and I'm not just talking about the 6 defencemen. It would have to be a complete roster overhaul and at this point, it would have to be at the expense of their offence.

Nonis needs to decide what he wants the identity of this team to be and make the change accordingly. If he wants a purely defensive team, then Carlyle is his man but he's got to change the team. If he's not willing to do that then Carlyle has to go because he's the one bringing them down.
 
bustaheims said:
93forever said:
How could we forget the defensemen BEHIND the net system employed by Wilson?

At least that's better than the 3 guys behind the net strategy we've seen frequently from Carlyle's Leafs.

There are times when there is one opposing player with the puck in the corner or behind the net and three Leaf players all around him. The points are left completely open. I can't fathom how this system is supposed to work.
 
If the free fall continues I can't possibly see Carlyle coming back.. Realistically who could take hold of this team behind the bench and improve it?? Im at a loss
 
Boston Leaf said:
If the free fall continues I can't possibly see Carlyle coming back.. Realistically who could take hold of this team behind the bench and improve it?? Im at a loss

A whistle and a life-sized poster of Sergio Momesso? 
 
It's not the system I prefer either. It's a collapse system like that was employed by Rangers with some success a couple of years ago under JT. The collapse forwards are supposed to clog up the front and block shots, a faster route than getting to the points when they are down low fighting for puck possession. The problem is they aren't doing that and appear to have no intention of doing that. Further, players end up getting injured or beat up, plus if a puck gets through the goalie has little or no chance. If worked for a brief period for the Rangers, but soon JT was run out of town. I'd much prefer the traditional 2-1-2 zone defence like the Blues employ, where the points are covered and there is more man-on-man depending on where the puck is. The only problem here is the Leafs needed some stronger physical players both upfront and on the back-end to be able to compete along the boards, in the corners and in front of the net.

Here is my assessment on what to keep or change going forward.

Goal - Bernier will involve into a top notch number 1 like Rask has in Boston. We need a quality back-up.

Defence - Rielly and Gardiner should be the centerpieces moving forward, with a couple of tough D-men to compliment them. Phaneuf is supposed be be a tough d-men, but I can't get over his dumb mental mistakes for someone with his experience. Second pairing guy at best. We are probably stuck with him, so he go with one of the kids. I would sooner his concentrate on solid, tough defence, with the occassional hard hit like he used to (when it makes sense), then worry about offense from him as much. That will come from the kids. So we need a top stud d-man, not easy to find. 5-6 guys need to be physical as well.
Forwards: I would keep the top line, Lupul and Kadri (at least for a while longer...he needs to up his compete consistently though). Bolland also if healthy (we need some vets). Although some say Raymond is one-dimensional. I think he plays decently for his size, offers speed, is smart with puck and has scored and set up a lot of timely goals. Surrounded by bigger players, I'd keep him if the price is right. Bodie and McClement are find on the fourth line, but need a quality 4th liner with them.

Tradeable or changeable parts.
Gunner, Franson, Gleason, Ranger
Kulimen, Clarkson (unless he improves next year, and if his contract could be moved)
Reimer

That's not a lot of trading power. It's going to trade some luck in the draft or some impactful free agent signings to make a difference, and anything that happens in the draft will take years to bear fruit. I don't see a whole lot on the Marlies that would have any significant impact. The growth really has to come from within from the core (Kessel, JVR and Bozak have all improved...now we need the same from Gardiner, Rielly and Kadri to take the next step...). I think Nonis will rethink the trade deadline next year given how easily some of these piece were picked up. I really thought the Leafs should have gone after a guy like Matt Moulson, a Toronto boy, who probably would have fit in nicely. They have to do something to shake things up soon. I also would not be opposed to calling up a couple of Marlies to light a fire under some players who I think have gotten a little too comfortable.

 
Andy007 said:
Boston Leaf said:
If the free fall continues I can't possibly see Carlyle coming back.. Realistically who could take hold of this team behind the bench and improve it?? Im at a loss

A whistle and a life-sized poster of Sergei Momesso?

Sergio?

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Boston Leaf said:
If the free fall continues I can't possibly see Carlyle coming back.. Realistically who could take hold of this team behind the bench and improve it?? Im at a loss

Considering they're giving up shots/chances at levels worse than expansion teams, I'd guess almost any coach could realistically improve their fortunes, unless we think this is a worse collection of players than a team like that.  There are likely lots of coaches out there that could potentially make the jump to the NHL that none of us have probably ever heard of too.  Doesn't necessarily have to be a member of the Old Boys Club.
 
I really hope there's a coach that can get more out of these players. If not, they're hooped for quite a few years with all the long contracts.
 
Speaking of the Leafs' "defensive" system, here's an article from today that tries to go into some more detail about it: http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2014/03/26/joffrey-lupul-also-confounded-by-leafs-defensive-system/
 
Well, if Carlyle isn't turfed at the end of the year, at least we can look forward to the Leafs being competitive next year... in the Connor McDavid sweepstakes. But knowing them, they would lose that too. Or trade their first round pick away to move David Clarkson out of town.
 
Potvin29 said:
There are likely lots of coaches out there that could potentially make the jump to the NHL that none of us have probably ever heard of too.  Doesn't necessarily have to be a member of the Old Boys Club.

This is where I'm at.  Since they let Eakins get away (and yeah, I'm aware of how much the Oil stink, but I think he would have done much better here) then bring in a fresh face.  To hell with Laviolette and any other retreads.
 
Potvin29 said:
Speaking of the Leafs' "defensive" system, here's an article from today that tries to go into some more detail about it: http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2014/03/26/joffrey-lupul-also-confounded-by-leafs-defensive-system/

Thanks for that...

This quote (from the article):

St. Louis is really good, but this is the NHL, and the gap between a great NHL team and an average NHL team shouldn?t be so immediately visible within 20 minutes of the game

...is something I have been thinking about as I watch games.

They can compete for short segments, however, entire periods go by with them looking like an AHL team.

I do believe there is a core there that can compete at an NHL level, but there has been some mismanagement of the team that is seriously getting in the way.


 
Maybe try Steve Spott out:

?We?ve been a team that?s held teams to 25 or 26 shots a night. Believe me when I say it, we?re going to dial it right back and get back to our hockey, which is not allowing over 40 shots a night. That?s not a game I want to play, nor something I will accept out of that room."

http://kylethereporter.com/2014/03/25/steve-spott-wont-stand-for-allowing-40-shots-a-game/
 
Potvin29 said:
Maybe try Steve Spott out:

?We?ve been a team that?s held teams to 25 or 26 shots a night. Believe me when I say it, we?re going to dial it right back and get back to our hockey, which is not allowing over 40 shots a night. That?s not a game I want to play, nor something I will accept out of that room."

http://kylethereporter.com/2014/03/25/steve-spott-wont-stand-for-allowing-40-shots-a-game/

Interesting. I'm also partial to this quote by Spott regarding Peter Holland:

?Let?s be honest, he?s an NHL centreman.?

 
What stands out to me is that those comments from Spott came after a 3-1 win, meanwhile Carlyle has been known to say things such as: 'I think we can be critical if we lose. I don't think we're going to criticize a win.'
 
2008-2009 - Jason Blake = Phil Kessel
                - Alexei Ponikarvosky = JVR 

That team finished with 81 points - 34-35-13
Their goaltending gave them .885 SV% ON THE YEAR

 
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