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Rick Nash potentially available

I can't help but wonder after reading all the posts if it could be a Nash for Kessel deal. Saves the blue jackets money and Burke gets his power forward.
 
Potvin29 said:
I don't understand why Burke would pay for an older, more expensive Kessel.  So I don't think Nash will be a Leaf.
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I have to be honest, if I were thinking of names of players to compare Kessel to Nash would not be all that high on the list.
 
A fun question: would you consider a Phaneuf for Nash trade?  Both are very good players who are overpaid (IMHO).  Who wins that and how do you balance it with other assets to make it even?
 
I consider Nash a top 5 (there about) winger in the league. I think there is a significant gap in value between the two. 
 
SGT said:
I consider Nash a top 5 (there about) winger in the league. I think there is a significant gap in value between the two.
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Kessel's had the better production over the last 2 seasons, and a fair argument can be made the Kessel is just beginning the prime of his career, whereas Nash is at the tail-end of his. All things considered, I'd stick with Kessel as part of the long-term plan.
 
SGT said:
The question was asked - Nash vs. Phaneuf.
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Ahh. Well, in that case, considering the contract and how much harder it is to find a guy with true #1 potential on the blueline (which I still believe Phaneuf is capable of of), I'd probably stick with Phaneuf.
 
SGT said:
Wow! Me? It's Nash by a country mile.
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Phaneuf is kind of the defensive equivalent of Nash - high expectations, good but not great results, expensive contract, etc. What puts thing in Phaneuf's favour, in my mind, is positional scarcity, contract length and cap hit.
 
What puts Nash way ahead of Phanuef (for me) is there are just no warts in his game. Phaneuf on the other hand, well... you kind of have to take the good with the bad.
 
SGT said:
What puts Nash way ahead of Phanuef (for me) is there are just no warts in his game. Phaneuf on the other hand, well... you kind of have to take the good with the bad.
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But, there are warts to his game - he's questionable defensively, he's injury prone in all the wrong areas (knees, back, etc), he's physical but not as physical as you want him to be and so on. There isn't a player in the league who doesn't have warts, so to speak.
 
bustaheims said:
But, there are warts to his game - he's questionable defensively, he's injury prone in all the wrong areas (knees, back, etc), he's physical but not as physical as you want him to be and so on. There isn't a player in the league who doesn't have warts, so to speak.
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I don't see the warts or at least not near as many glaring as Phaneuf's but that's just my own observation. I'm still okay with Phaneuf mind you but he's not as near as "complete" as Nash. Anyway, that's my two cents on the subject. No sense harping on it any further.
 
bustaheims said:
SGT said:
Wow! Me? It's Nash by a country mile.
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Phaneuf is kind of the defensive equivalent of Nash - high expectations, good but not great results, expensive contract, etc. What puts thing in Phaneuf's favour, in my mind, is positional scarcity, contract length and cap hit.
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Phaneuf definitely looks to have a longer period ahead of him in which he may improve and/or stay in his prime.  That and the opportunity for a new contract that might have better price/performance do seem to be reasons in his favor.  On the other hand, I'm not sure the leafs need to replace all of Phaneuf if they were to trade him.  With Liles, gardiner, and Franson, they need to replace his defense and d-zone to o-zone transition game against top lines most of all.  So if they were able to find a Willie Mitchell type, that might be good enough.

But overall, I'm finding it really hard to come up with a plausible scenario in which the leafs trade for Nash and the team improves.
 
SGT said:
I don't see the warts or at least not near as many glaring as Phaneuf's but that's just my own observation. I'm still okay with Phaneuf mind you but he's not as near as "complete" as Nash. Anyway, that's my two cents on the subject. No sense harping on it any further.
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If you watched Nash 82 games a year like we have with Phaneuf for a couple seasons now, you'd begin to see them. Only seeing Nash a handful of times a year really helps hide or minimize the warts.
 
princedpw said:
A fun question: would you consider a Phaneuf for Nash trade?  Both are very good players who are overpaid (IMHO).  Who wins that and how do you balance it with other assets to make it even?
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Good Lord, man, I'm about to board a flight.  Don't get my pulse racing.

EDIT: And Busta, seriously, you make some good points but you can't build a defense around a guy who has as many major flaws as our prematurely anointed captain.
 
princedpw said:
bustaheims said:
SGT said:
Wow! Me? It's Nash by a country mile.
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Phaneuf is kind of the defensive equivalent of Nash - high expectations, good but not great results, expensive contract, etc. What puts thing in Phaneuf's favour, in my mind, is positional scarcity, contract length and cap hit.
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Phaneuf definitely looks to have a longer period ahead of him in which he may improve and/or stay in his prime.  That and the opportunity for a new contract that might have better price/performance do seem to be reasons in his favor.  On the other hand, I'm not sure the leafs need to replace all of Phaneuf if they were to trade him.  With Liles, gardiner, and Franson, they need to replace his defense and d-zone to o-zone transition game against top lines most of all.  So if they were able to find a Willie Mitchell type, that might be good enough.

But overall, I'm finding it really hard to come up with a plausible scenario in which the leafs trade for Nash and the team improves.
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Phaneuf is a good player but I would say he past his prime a good 3-4 years ago.
 
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