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Do the Avs need any defensemen?
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RedLeaf said:I think it was Healy that suggested the Leafs sign him to an offer sheet, and front load it so that Colorado can't match. Make sense? A 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd ,plus more cash.
RedLeaf said:I think it was Healy that suggested the Leafs sign him to an offer sheet, and front load it so that Colorado can't match. Make sense? A 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd ,plus more cash.
Kessel Run said:Do the Avs need any defensemen?
Corn Flake said:Kessel Run said:Do the Avs need any defensemen?
Yes. They need a mobile guy in a big way. I doubt they would go for Liles coming back, but you never know. they will want Gardiner for ROR, almost guaranteed.
Erndog said:Corn Flake said:Kessel Run said:Do the Avs need any defensemen?
Yes. They need a mobile guy in a big way. I doubt they would go for Liles coming back, but you never know. they will want Gardiner for ROR, almost guaranteed.
They may want Liles sure, but certainly not in the ROR deal.
And yeah, they'd want Gardiner + for ROR it sounds like.
Highlander said:With Reilly coming us Gardiner can move on. We need a first line centre in a big way. No offence Tyler, you are one of my faves, perhaps we send Grabovski with the G as he has been a big disappointment this year and Tyler can center Macarther and Kulimen when Frattin gets back to play with Kadri.
Corn Flake said:ROR vs. Bozak....
Is the difference really that significant? Is ROR a 1st line centre, without question? If you can extend Bozak for $3.5 mil or something vs. paying $5 mil for ROR and the cost in trade or picks, is he going to deliver that much more? Even if ROR is better, he probably is not the legit 1st line centre this team needs, so you still have to go try and find that upgrade.
I honestly have seen little to none of ROR so it's hard for me to get a feel for how good he can be. If he is not a 100% legit 1st line centre, then I think sticking with what we have makes more sense than to blow a huge amount in trade and cap space on a guy who may be Grabbo II.
Bozak is starting to win me over a little with his play the past few weeks. Yeah he'd be a better 2nd or 3rd line ctr but he's doing an ok job where he is and his faceoff skillz are just nuts right now.
I want to compare Bozak to other top 9 players and conveniently if we look at all forwards with 1250 minutes of 5v5 zone start adjusted ice time over the past 2 seasons we come up with 270 players which is precisely an average of 9 per team, or 3 lines per team. So, how does Bozak rank among these players?
He ranks 208th in points/60 vs Kessel?s 45 and Lupul?s 47th.
He ranks 197th in goals/60, 211th in assists/60 and 187th in first assists/60.
He ranks 264th in shots/60.
So, despite playing predominately with first line players his individual offensive stats are at a 3rd line level.
There are 169 forwards with 250 5v4 PP minutes over the previous two seasons while Bozak has played 417:28 which puts him among the top 65 forwards in the league. How has Bozak fared?
147th in points/60 to Kessel?s 65th and Lupul?s 18th.
104th in goals/60, 140th in assists/60 and 150th in first assists/60.
He ranks 165th in shots/60.
Think about that for a minute. Of 169 forwards with >250 5v4 PP minutes over the past 2 seasons he ranks 5th last in shots/60 and has the 30th worst first assists/60 rankings. That means he is playing on the PP but isn?t shooting much and isn?t a primary set up man for the shooters either.
BlueWhiteBlood said:Highlander said:With Reilly coming us Gardiner can move on. We need a first line centre in a big way. No offence Tyler, you are one of my faves, perhaps we send Grabovski with the G as he has been a big disappointment this year and Tyler can center Macarther and Kulimen when Frattin gets back to play with Kadri.
maybe they would do macarthur and kulemin for ROR. Kulemin isn't scoring anymore and JVR+Lupul makes macarthur redundant.
They wouldn't do Grabo, because he would be stuck behind Statsny and Duchene anyway, same problem.
Potvin29 said:Really, Bozak's redeeming quality is his face-offs. I don't even mind Bozak really, but we're lucky we have someone like Kessel who can make something out of nothing, because Bozak isn't getting the job done.
Corn Flake said:Potvin29 said:Really, Bozak's redeeming quality is his face-offs. I don't even mind Bozak really, but we're lucky we have someone like Kessel who can make something out of nothing, because Bozak isn't getting the job done.
Okay, so if Bozak really is not the man for the job (which I agree) long-term, do you go get ROR or do you hold off and see if the Getzlaf thing can happen? I don't think you get both of them.
the other potential is Bozak and Kadri filipping roles at some point. Kadri as the 1st line centre sure makes sense from an offensive point of view. He's no less of a danger in the defensive zone than Bozak.
Corn Flake said:the other potential is Bozak and Kadri filipping roles at some point. Kadri as the 1st line centre sure makes sense from an offensive point of view. He's no less of a danger in the defensive zone than Bozak.
BlueWhiteBlood said:Corn Flake said:the other potential is Bozak and Kadri filipping roles at some point. Kadri as the 1st line centre sure makes sense from an offensive point of view. He's no less of a danger in the defensive zone than Bozak.
Funny thing, Kadri has almost identical stats to Getzlaf offensively, except that he is doing it with 6 or so less minutes of ice-time.
louisstamos said:BlueWhiteBlood said:Corn Flake said:the other potential is Bozak and Kadri filipping roles at some point. Kadri as the 1st line centre sure makes sense from an offensive point of view. He's no less of a danger in the defensive zone than Bozak.
Funny thing, Kadri has almost identical stats to Getzlaf offensively, except that he is doing it with 6 or so less minutes of ice-time.
True, but also probably not facing the top defensive pair from the other team while doing it...
louisstamos said:BlueWhiteBlood said:Corn Flake said:the other potential is Bozak and Kadri filipping roles at some point. Kadri as the 1st line centre sure makes sense from an offensive point of view. He's no less of a danger in the defensive zone than Bozak.
Funny thing, Kadri has almost identical stats to Getzlaf offensively, except that he is doing it with 6 or so less minutes of ice-time.
True, but also probably not facing the top defensive pair from the other team while doing it...