Ryan O'Reilly

[Kessel Run]

Do the Avs need any defensemen?

 

[Redleaf]

I think it was Healy that suggested the Leafs sign him to an offer sheet, and front load it so that Colorado can't match. Make sense? A 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd ,plus more cash.

 

[Zee]

I think it was Healy that suggested the Leafs sign him to an offer sheet, and front load it so that Colorado can't match. Make sense? A 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd ,plus more cash.

The days of the Leafs giving away first round draft picks are over (at least for now)

 

[Corn Flake]

I think it was Healy that suggested the Leafs sign him to an offer sheet, and front load it so that Colorado can't match. Make sense? A 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd ,plus more cash.

It just makes no sense to do this.  I've heard this a few times and don't get why people think they won't match, and if they didn't, why this is a wise approach.  "oh yeah just offer sheet the guy, that will make it all happen, no problem."

If you do, you lose the picks, which in the case of the Leafs right now is still very risky, then you get a player who is colossally overpaid and all the fun things that can happen with that. 

If they want this guy, just trade for him and make it happen that way. Sign him to a reasonable contract without stupid front loaded silliness and don't risk throwing picks you don't know what they will be.

And no, not for Kadri.  Bozak.. given what he's doing for this team right now I'm siding with those who think adding him to a deal is not a wise idea.  He's so good on faceoffs right now, it's ridiculous. 

Gardiner + Kulemin for ROR and a lesser prospect or pick.

 

[Corn Flake]

Do the Avs need any defensemen?

Yes.  They need a mobile guy in a big way.  I doubt they would go for Liles coming back, but you never know.  they will want Gardiner for ROR, almost guaranteed.

 

[Erndog]

Do the Avs need any defensemen?

Yes.  They need a mobile guy in a big way.  I doubt they would go for Liles coming back, but you never know.  they will want Gardiner for ROR, almost guaranteed.

They may want Liles sure, but certainly not in the ROR deal. 

And yeah, they'd want Gardiner + for ROR it sounds like.

 

[TML fan]

Well, if O'Reilly is that good, you make that trade.

 

[Highlander]

With Reilly coming us Gardiner can move on. We need a first line centre in a big way. No offence Tyler, you are one of my faves, perhaps we send Grabovski with the G as he has been a big disappointment this year and Tyler can center Macarther and Kulimen when Frattin gets back to play with Kadri.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Do the Avs need any defensemen?

Yes.  They need a mobile guy in a big way.  I doubt they would go for Liles coming back, but you never know.  they will want Gardiner for ROR, almost guaranteed.

They may want Liles sure, but certainly not in the ROR deal. 

And yeah, they'd want Gardiner + for ROR it sounds like.

I wouldn't do Gardiner in any way, but I would throw a bit more in if they would take a package that included Liles. The "plus" part of that deal would have to include a couple good assets though, so not sure how that would work out. I'm sure they would want a younger blueliner though.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

With Reilly coming us Gardiner can move on. We need a first line centre in a big way. No offence Tyler, you are one of my faves, perhaps we send Grabovski with the G as he has been a big disappointment this year and Tyler can center Macarther and Kulimen when Frattin gets back to play with Kadri.

They wouldn't do Grabo, because he would be stuck behind Statsny and Duchene anyway, same problem.

 

[Corn Flake]

ROR vs. Bozak....

Is the difference really that significant? Is ROR a 1st line centre, without question? If you can extend Bozak for $3.5 mil or something vs. paying $5 mil for ROR and the cost in trade or picks, is he going to deliver that much more? Even if ROR is better, he probably is not the legit 1st line centre this team needs, so you still have to go try and find that upgrade. 

I honestly have seen little to none of ROR so it's hard for me to get a feel for how good he can be.  If he is not a 100% legit 1st line centre, then I think sticking with what we have makes more sense than to blow a huge amount in trade and cap space on a guy who may be Grabbo II. 

Bozak is starting to win me over a little with his play the past few weeks.  Yeah he'd be a better 2nd or 3rd line ctr but he's doing an ok job where he is and his faceoff skillz are just nuts right now.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

ROR vs. Bozak....

Is the difference really that significant? Is ROR a 1st line centre, without question? If you can extend Bozak for $3.5 mil or something vs. paying $5 mil for ROR and the cost in trade or picks, is he going to deliver that much more? Even if ROR is better, he probably is not the legit 1st line centre this team needs, so you still have to go try and find that upgrade. 

I honestly have seen little to none of ROR so it's hard for me to get a feel for how good he can be.  If he is not a 100% legit 1st line centre, then I think sticking with what we have makes more sense than to blow a huge amount in trade and cap space on a guy who may be Grabbo II. 

Bozak is starting to win me over a little with his play the past few weeks.  Yeah he'd be a better 2nd or 3rd line ctr but he's doing an ok job where he is and his faceoff skillz are just nuts right now.

Most likely yes, ROR is much better, even if you ignore the age gap for now.

Some ugly stats for Bozak:

http://hockeyanalysis.com/2013/02/16/the-terrible-tyler-bozak/

I want to compare Bozak to other top 9 players and conveniently if we look at all forwards with 1250 minutes of 5v5 zone start adjusted ice time over the past 2 seasons we come up with 270 players which is precisely an average of 9 per team, or 3 lines per team. So, how does Bozak rank among these players?

    He ranks 208th in points/60 vs Kessel?s 45 and Lupul?s 47th.
    He ranks 197th in goals/60, 211th in assists/60 and 187th in first assists/60.
    He ranks 264th in shots/60.

So, despite playing predominately with first line players his individual offensive stats are at a 3rd line level.

There are 169 forwards with 250 5v4 PP minutes over the previous two seasons while Bozak has played 417:28 which puts him among the top 65 forwards in the league. How has Bozak fared?

    147th in points/60 to Kessel?s 65th and Lupul?s 18th.
    104th in goals/60, 140th in assists/60 and 150th in first assists/60.
    He ranks 165th in shots/60.

Think about that for a minute.  Of 169 forwards with >250 5v4 PP minutes over the past 2 seasons he ranks 5th last in shots/60 and has the 30th worst first assists/60 rankings. That means he is playing on the PP but isn?t shooting much and isn?t a primary set up man for the shooters either.

Really, Bozak's redeeming quality is his face-offs.  I don't even mind Bozak really, but we're lucky we have someone like Kessel who can make something out of nothing, because Bozak isn't getting the job done.

 

[Rebel_1812]

With Reilly coming us Gardiner can move on. We need a first line centre in a big way. No offence Tyler, you are one of my faves, perhaps we send Grabovski with the G as he has been a big disappointment this year and Tyler can center Macarther and Kulimen when Frattin gets back to play with Kadri.

maybe they would do macarthur and kulemin for ROR.  Kulemin isn't scoring anymore and JVR+Lupul makes macarthur redundant.

They wouldn't do Grabo, because he would be stuck behind Statsny and Duchene anyway, same problem.

 

[Corn Flake]

Really, Bozak's redeeming quality is his face-offs.  I don't even mind Bozak really, but we're lucky we have someone like Kessel who can make something out of nothing, because Bozak isn't getting the job done.

Okay, so if Bozak really is not the man for the job (which I agree) long-term, do you go get ROR or do you hold off and see if the Getzlaf thing can happen?  I don't think you get both of them.

the other potential is Bozak and Kadri filipping roles at some point.  Kadri as the 1st line centre sure makes sense from an offensive point of view.  He's no less of a danger in the defensive zone than Bozak. 

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Well, there's no doubt that the Leafs should probably make a trade of some kind, but I'm not sure if that is with Colorado. I'm on the fence about ROR.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Really, Bozak's redeeming quality is his face-offs.  I don't even mind Bozak really, but we're lucky we have someone like Kessel who can make something out of nothing, because Bozak isn't getting the job done.

Okay, so if Bozak really is not the man for the job (which I agree) long-term, do you go get ROR or do you hold off and see if the Getzlaf thing can happen?  I don't think you get both of them.

the other potential is Bozak and Kadri filipping roles at some point.  Kadri as the 1st line centre sure makes sense from an offensive point of view.  He's no less of a danger in the defensive zone than Bozak.

It's hard to say, but I probably wouldn't bank on getting someone UFA like Getzlaf (if that's the route hoped to get him) - but at the same time I'm not sure how prepared I'd be to meet whatever Colorado's demands are (Friedman suggests a D like Del Zotto is what they're after).

I really don't know why Kadri isn't at least the C on the 1st PP unit.  Maybe Carlyle wants Bozak there to win the draw and set up, but as those stats show, he's pretty much an offensive black-hole on the PP.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

the other potential is Bozak and Kadri filipping roles at some point.  Kadri as the 1st line centre sure makes sense from an offensive point of view.  He's no less of a danger in the defensive zone than Bozak. 

Funny thing, Kadri has almost identical stats to Getzlaf offensively, except that he is doing it with 6 or so less minutes of ice-time.

 

[louisstamos]

the other potential is Bozak and Kadri filipping roles at some point.  Kadri as the 1st line centre sure makes sense from an offensive point of view.  He's no less of a danger in the defensive zone than Bozak. 

Funny thing, Kadri has almost identical stats to Getzlaf offensively, except that he is doing it with 6 or so less minutes of ice-time.

True, but also probably not facing the top defensive pair from the other team while doing it...

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

the other potential is Bozak and Kadri filipping roles at some point.  Kadri as the 1st line centre sure makes sense from an offensive point of view.  He's no less of a danger in the defensive zone than Bozak. 

Funny thing, Kadri has almost identical stats to Getzlaf offensively, except that he is doing it with 6 or so less minutes of ice-time.

True, but also probably not facing the top defensive pair from the other team while doing it...

No, definitely not.

If we can get Kadri to be Bozak in the face-off dot, I think he'd work on the top line with JvR and Kessel. He has better passing abilities, than does Bozak.

 

[Corn Flake]

the other potential is Bozak and Kadri filipping roles at some point.  Kadri as the 1st line centre sure makes sense from an offensive point of view.  He's no less of a danger in the defensive zone than Bozak. 

Funny thing, Kadri has almost identical stats to Getzlaf offensively, except that he is doing it with 6 or so less minutes of ice-time.

True, but also probably not facing the top defensive pair from the other team while doing it...

but with all due respect to Frattin, Kadri doesn't have Corey Perry on his wing either.