Ryan O'Reilly

[princedpw]

the other potential is Bozak and Kadri filipping roles at some point.  Kadri as the 1st line centre sure makes sense from an offensive point of view.  He's no less of a danger in the defensive zone than Bozak. 

Funny thing, Kadri has almost identical stats to Getzlaf offensively, except that he is doing it with 6 or so less minutes of ice-time.

True, but also probably not facing the top defensive pair from the other team while doing it...

but with all due respect to Frattin, Kadri doesn't have Corey Perry on his wing either.

I think we have to wait more than 15 games before we start to compare Kadri's stats to Getzlaf's in a meaningful way.

 

[Bender]

Really, Bozak's redeeming quality is his face-offs.  I don't even mind Bozak really, but we're lucky we have someone like Kessel who can make something out of nothing, because Bozak isn't getting the job done.

Okay, so if Bozak really is not the man for the job (which I agree) long-term, do you go get ROR or do you hold off and see if the Getzlaf thing can happen?  I don't think you get both of them.

the other potential is Bozak and Kadri filipping roles at some point.  Kadri as the 1st line centre sure makes sense from an offensive point of view.  He's no less of a danger in the defensive zone than Bozak.

It's hard to say, but I probably wouldn't bank on getting someone UFA like Getzlaf (if that's the route hoped to get him) - but at the same time I'm not sure how prepared I'd be to meet whatever Colorado's demands are (Friedman suggests a D like Del Zotto is what they're after).

I really don't know why Kadri isn't at least the C on the 1st PP unit.  Maybe Carlyle wants Bozak there to win the draw and set up, but as those stats show, he's pretty much an offensive black-hole on the PP.

If we're going to shoot the moon for a top line center then I really dont think ROR is that player.

 

[moon111]

Really, Bozak's redeeming quality is his face-offs.  I don't even mind Bozak really, but we're lucky we have someone like Kessel who can make something out of nothing, because Bozak isn't getting the job done.

Okay, so if Bozak really is not the man for the job (which I agree) long-term, do you go get ROR or do you hold off and see if the Getzlaf thing can happen?  I don't think you get both of them.

the other potential is Bozak and Kadri filipping roles at some point.  Kadri as the 1st line centre sure makes sense from an offensive point of view.  He's no less of a danger in the defensive zone than Bozak.

It's hard to say, but I probably wouldn't bank on getting someone UFA like Getzlaf (if that's the route hoped to get him) - but at the same time I'm not sure how prepared I'd be to meet whatever Colorado's demands are (Friedman suggests a D like Del Zotto is what they're after).

I really don't know why Kadri isn't at least the C on the 1st PP unit.  Maybe Carlyle wants Bozak there to win the draw and set up, but as those stats show, he's pretty much an offensive black-hole on the PP.

If we're going to shoot the moon for a top line center then I really dont think ROR is that player.

I hate that expression.

 

[Bender]

Really, Bozak's redeeming quality is his face-offs.  I don't even mind Bozak really, but we're lucky we have someone like Kessel who can make something out of nothing, because Bozak isn't getting the job done.

Okay, so if Bozak really is not the man for the job (which I agree) long-term, do you go get ROR or do you hold off and see if the Getzlaf thing can happen?  I don't think you get both of them.

the other potential is Bozak and Kadri filipping roles at some point.  Kadri as the 1st line centre sure makes sense from an offensive point of view.  He's no less of a danger in the defensive zone than Bozak.

It's hard to say, but I probably wouldn't bank on getting someone UFA like Getzlaf (if that's the route hoped to get him) - but at the same time I'm not sure how prepared I'd be to meet whatever Colorado's demands are (Friedman suggests a D like Del Zotto is what they're after).

I really don't know why Kadri isn't at least the C on the 1st PP unit.  Maybe Carlyle wants Bozak there to win the draw and set up, but as those stats show, he's pretty much an offensive black-hole on the PP.

If we're going to shoot the moon for a top line center then I really dont think ROR is that player.

I hate that expression.

I was expecting discussion on ROR not idioms but OK.

 

[sneakyray]

theres an article on sportsnet right now where ROR's dad says this holdout isn't about money but is about the avalanche not respecting ROR's character.

so maybe if somebody trades for him they do get that Turris type contract?

 

[TML fan]

Has he demanded a trade? Has he told the Avalanche he won't play for them again?

 

[bustaheims]

theres an article on sportsnet right now where ROR's dad says this holdout isn't about money but is about the avalanche not respecting ROR's character.

I don't know why, but for some reason, that feels like more serious of a red flag to me than if he was holding out because of the money.

 

[Deebo]

In a full season, unsigned RFAs had until January to sign or they were ineligible for the rest of the season, anyone heard if there was a similar drop date date for this shortened season?

 

[TML fan]

theres an article on sportsnet right now where ROR's dad says this holdout isn't about money but is about the avalanche not respecting ROR's character.

I don't know why, but for some reason, that feels like more serious of a red flag to me than if he was holding out because of the money.

With something like this, it pretty much guarantees he'll never play in Colorado again. Questioning someone's character is pretty serious IMO.

If this is the case he's holding out for a trade, not for a contract, which would make this technically true, but I don't believe this was the case when the negotiations started.

So yeah, it's about money.

 

[bustaheims]

In a full season, unsigned RFAs had until January to sign or they were ineligible for the rest of the season, anyone heard if there was a similar drop date date for this shortened season?

No such limitation this season.

 

[Kin]

theres an article on sportsnet right now where ROR's dad says this holdout isn't about money but is about the avalanche not respecting ROR's character.

I don't know why, but for some reason, that feels like more serious of a red flag to me than if he was holding out because of the money.

I wouldn't read too much into this article. The actual quote, I mean, it's barely a step up from gibberish.

"This is not about money and never has been. As you know you don?t build team based on dollars. If you did then the people with the most expensive players would be our champion . You build a team on its character. Ryan is not a superstar based on skill but character. I know this for a fact the players he was yesterday will not be the player he was tomorrow he will continue to grow learn and thrive .The world values it less and less, yet everyone is looking for those players that eat sleep and drink the game and are unselfish plus compete because they are intrinsically motivated for excellence."

And... "So when I looked at the Colorado Avalanche and the negotiations l see well-prepared agent, Willing to negotiate but an organization that does not look at the necessity of character. They can pick their players anyway they choose to and it?s none of my business or my son?s business."

Also..."Ryan loved playing at Colorado he has great teammates, friends and great fans.

Look at the character of (Craig) Anderson as a goalie does that not speak for itself. He?s a gamer, he wins."

And finally... "Quality of character is really hard to describe but you recognize it instantly in someone?s behavior. Each one of us has to decide the value of their own character and the character of others by how they treat you.

 

[bustaheims]

I wouldn't read too much into this article. The actual quote, I mean, it's barely a step up from gibberish.

Ahhh. Raving lunatic father. That's a very different kind of red flag.

 

[TML fan]

theres an article on sportsnet right now where ROR's dad says this holdout isn't about money but is about the avalanche not respecting ROR's character.

I don't know why, but for some reason, that feels like more serious of a red flag to me than if he was holding out because of the money.

I wouldn't read too much into this article. The actual quote, I mean, it's barely a step up from gibberish.

"This is not about money and never has been. As you know you don?t build team based on dollars. If you did then the people with the most expensive players would be our champion . You build a team on its character. Ryan is not a superstar based on skill but character. I know this for a fact the players he was yesterday will not be the player he was tomorrow he will continue to grow learn and thrive .The world values it less and less, yet everyone is looking for those players that eat sleep and drink the game and are unselfish plus compete because they are intrinsically motivated for excellence."

And... "So when I looked at the Colorado Avalanche and the negotiations l see well-prepared agent, Willing to negotiate but an organization that does not look at the necessity of character. They can pick their players anyway they choose to and it?s none of my business or my son?s business."

Also..."Ryan loved playing at Colorado he has great teammates, friends and great fans.

Look at the character of (Craig) Anderson as a goalie does that not speak for itself. He?s a gamer, he wins."

And finally... "Quality of character is really hard to describe but you recognize it instantly in someone?s behavior. Each one of us has to decide the value of their own character and the character of others by how they treat you.

He sounds like Adam West from the Mayoral debate scene on Family Guy.

"Without questions we just have answers, and an answer without a question is a statement."

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

theres an article on sportsnet right now where ROR's dad says this holdout isn't about money but is about the avalanche not respecting ROR's character.

I don't know why, but for some reason, that feels like more serious of a red flag to me than if he was holding out because of the money.

I wouldn't read too much into this article. The actual quote, I mean, it's barely a step up from gibberish.

"This is not about money and never has been. As you know you don?t build team based on dollars. If you did then the people with the most expensive players would be our champion . You build a team on its character. Ryan is not a superstar based on skill but character. I know this for a fact the players he was yesterday will not be the player he was tomorrow he will continue to grow learn and thrive .The world values it less and less, yet everyone is looking for those players that eat sleep and drink the game and are unselfish plus compete because they are intrinsically motivated for excellence."

And... "So when I looked at the Colorado Avalanche and the negotiations l see well-prepared agent, Willing to negotiate but an organization that does not look at the necessity of character. They can pick their players anyway they choose to and it?s none of my business or my son?s business."

Also..."Ryan loved playing at Colorado he has great teammates, friends and great fans.

Look at the character of (Craig) Anderson as a goalie does that not speak for itself. He?s a gamer, he wins."

And finally... "Quality of character is really hard to describe but you recognize it instantly in someone?s behavior. Each one of us has to decide the value of their own character and the character of others by how they treat you.

He's just channelling MLK:
"I have a dream, that my son will one day play for a team where he will not be judged and paid by his accumulated statistics, but by the content of his character."

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

He's a "Life Coach" or something.

 

[Bender]

I wouldn't read too much into this article. The actual quote, I mean, it's barely a step up from gibberish.

Ahhh. Raving lunatic father. That's a very different kind of red flag.

Right, as of right now we don't know much. But I did read somewhere that one of the issues was they didnt give O'Reilly the captaincy. Now that, imo, is a VERY big red flag. Maybe he's just strong arming a trade, who knows.

 

[bustaheims]

Right, as of right now we don't know much. But I did read somewhere that one of the issues was they didnt give O'Reilly the captaincy. Now that, imo, is a VERY big red flag. Maybe he's just strong arming a trade, who knows.

Yeah. Sure, most of it is speculation right now, but, some of it comes across as ego issues and makes O'Reilly out to be a bit of a prima donna, and, if any of those are true . . .

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Like Turris.

 

[Redleaf]

Good article for those passing judgement on ROR just by looking at his numbers...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=416077

 

[Zee]

Good article for those passing judgement on ROR just by looking at his numbers...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=416077

It's like O'Reilly's agent wrote that article.