Schenn's Next deal

[maplesyrup]

He got usefull pieces back though... Beauchemin was later spun for a pick and a prospect. Getting cap space back is nice and all but that's not really my point. The point is, I'm not sure Komisarek could fetch bach assets. Period... Cap space or otherwise.

 

[Kin]

He got usefull pieces back though...

In the Blake/Toskala deal?

 

[Deebo]

He got usefull pieces back though... Beauchemin was later spun for a pick and a prospect. Getting cap space back is nice and all but that's not really my point. The point is, I'm not sure Komisarek could fetch bach assets. Period... Cap space or otherwise.

He got Gigeure back that's it, Beauchemin was UFA signing.

It was one bad contract for another, that's it.

 

[maplesyrup]

Sorry, not Beauchemin (what was I thinking) More silly, is that I was (confusing the Calgary/Anaheim deals. - Seems so long ago... Anyhooo... I'd just be shocked if Burke could move Komisarek. That's all. 

Edit: and yes I know we didn't get Beau from Calgary. (I'm just a discombobulated mess righr now.)  :-[

 

[louisstamos]

Let's see: led the league in hits last year, becoming more comfy on offense (if not real proficient), defensive play much more solid after soph slump.  In short, well on his way to becoming exactly the player he was projected to be.  This deal will be one among the league's top-value by year 3 of the contract.  Very well done by Burke and his team.

Here's hoping he'll be wearing the C by the end of the deal.

Plus, he did this! -  http://youtu.be/HAlrSDclRw4

 

[Bender]

He got usefull pieces back though... Beauchemin was later spun for a pick and a prospect. Getting cap space back is nice and all but that's not really my point. The point is, I'm not sure Komisarek could fetch bach assets. Period... Cap space or otherwise.

He got Gigeure back that's it, Beauchemin was UFA signing.

It was one bad contract for another, that's it.

The hope was to use Giguere as an upgrade to Toskala. That didn't materialize well, but for what it's worth, I would rather have Giguere mentoring James and Goose than Toskala. He must've also been a locker room issue as he would refuse to work with Allaire. Some added PR for Allaire with Giguere being here I'm sure didn't hurt either.

Not a magical deal, but I still think overall it was better to take a chance on Jiggy than stick with Toskala, and an extra year of Jason Blake.

 

[Kin]

Not a magical deal, but I still think overall it was better to take a chance on Jiggy than stick with Toskala, and an extra year of Jason Blake.

Toskala's deal was up, so he was gone anyway. Like Deebo said, Toskala is largely irrelevant to the deal and there's no chance that they would have re-signed him.

I don't know how the deal plays in a hockey sense. Giguere was pretty bad last year and I didn't see Blake play much but his numbers range from ok to useless.

In hindsight it probably deserves a shrug of the shoulders. Not a bad risk to take but not one that played out particularly well.

 

[bustaheims]

Not a magical deal, but I still think overall it was better to take a chance on Jiggy than stick with Toskala, and an extra year of Jason Blake.

Getting rid of that is the most important part of the trade. While the Leafs possibly could have moved Blake to a cap floor team this summer, there are no guarantees, and freeing up that $4M from this year's cap makes the deal a win, IMO.

 

[Deebo]

Not a magical deal, but I still think overall it was better to take a chance on Jiggy than stick with Toskala, and an extra year of Jason Blake.

Toskala's deal was up, so he was gone anyway. Like Deebo said, Toskala is largely irrelevant to the deal and there's no chance that they would have re-signed him.

I don't know how the deal plays in a hockey sense. Giguere was pretty bad last year and I didn't see Blake play much but his numbers range from ok to useless.

In hindsight it probably deserves a shrug of the shoulders. Not a bad risk to take but not one that played out particularly well.

What I think did get accomplished was opening up a roster spot up front, maybe it gave Kulemin the chance to play a little more or maybe MacArthur isn't signed.

$2 million more on the cap last year wasn't a big deal and it freed up 4M for this year which is key since we closer to the cap this year.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Getting rid of that is the most important part of the trade. While the Leafs possibly could have moved Blake to a cap floor team this summer, there are no guarantees, and freeing up that $4M from this year's cap makes the deal a win, IMO.

For me, it was actually getting rid of Blake all together and not having him here to taint any of our current group, as well as the 4 million, but mostly just getting rid of him.

 

[Kin]

$2 million more on the cap last year wasn't a big deal and it freed up 4M for this year which is key since we closer to the cap this year.

I've said this before but a huge part of the deal depends on whether or not the Leafs could have sent Blake to the minors. If they could have then the cap savings/roster elements are largely irrelevant.

 

[ZBBM]

Let's see: led the league in hits last year, becoming more comfy on offense (if not real proficient), defensive play much more solid after soph slump.  In short, well on his way to becoming exactly the player he was projected to be.  This deal will be one among the league's top-value by year 3 of the contract.  Very well done by Burke and his team.

Here's hoping he'll be wearing the C by the end of the deal.

Plus, he did this! -  http://youtu.be/HAlrSDclRw4

Oh ya.  If he could do that kind if stuff 3 or 4x a season I'd name my next dog Lockdown.

 

[Crucialness Key]

Plus, he did this! -  http://youtu.be/HAlrSDclRw4

Oh ya.  If he could do that kind if stuff 3 or 4x a season I'd name my next dog Lockdown.

Why can't he?  I mean, in all seriousness, is there any reason to believe we won't/shouldn't be seeing more of that?  Not all the time of course, but just enough to keep opposing D a wee bit nervous?

 

[Corn Flake]

Getting rid of that is the most important part of the trade. While the Leafs possibly could have moved Blake to a cap floor team this summer, there are no guarantees, and freeing up that $4M from this year's cap makes the deal a win, IMO.

For me, it was actually getting rid of Blake all together and not having him here to taint any of our current group, as well as the 4 million, but mostly just getting rid of him.

Toskala too as it was suggested he was a bit of an issue in the room and it was very apparent he was not getting along with Allaire at all. 

They got a real good team guy back in the deal who sounds like he had nothing but very positive influence on Monster and Reimer. 

 

[Pucken Chronic]

I was thinking 3 years near 10(ish) or 6+ years for 4 million(ish) a year.

.... or something right down the middle.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Toskala too as it was suggested he was a bit of an issue in the room and it was very apparent he was not getting along with Allaire at all. 

They got a real good team guy back in the deal who sounds like he had nothing but very positive influence on Monster and Reimer.

Don't key me wrong, I liked the Giguere part of that trade too, but for me, getting rid of Blake was key IMO. Toskala was gone in a couple months at that point. I remember us thinking that nobody would ever take that Blake guy.. ever.

 

[Kin]

Don't key me wrong, I liked the Giguere part of that trade too, but for me, getting rid of Blake was key IMO.

I don't know that Blake was all that bad a guy. A useless hockey player, sure, but I think the idea of him "infecting" other players is overstating things.

And the Giguere part of the deal, maybe more than any single personnel decision, probably cost the team the playoffs last year.

 

[Britishbulldog]

$3.6/year  for 5 years.....is that good?

 

[maplesyrup]

So 15 contracts on the books now for next year with ~16.5 mil. to burn for 8/9 players. Likely much closer to 20 mil. to burn the way the cap has been going. As stated earlier, the key UFAs are Grabovski, Liles, and Gustavsson and the key RFAs are Kulemin, Franson, and Aulie. Without taking a hard look at the other teams situations, I don't think we're in horrible shape going in to the following season. Perhaps Komisarek gets moved (though I'm dying to see how) and who knows, perhaps Grabovski or another forward is spun in to something else.

Has anyone taken a look at how we're set-up next for next year compared to the competition?   

 

[louisstamos]

So 15 contracts on the books now for next year with ~16.5 mil. to burn for 8/9 players. Likely much closer to 20 mil. to burn the way the cap has been going. As stated earlier, the key UFAs are Grabovski, Liles, and Gustavsson and the key RFAs are Kulemin, Franson, and Aulie. Without taking a hard look at the other teams situations, I don't think we're in horrible shape going in to the following season. Perhaps Komisarek gets moved (though I'm dying to see how) and who knows, perhaps Grabovski or another forward is spun in to something else.

Has anyone taken a look at how we're set-up next for next year compared to the competition? 

I strongly believe that if he under performs again this year, and there are no takers trade wise, management strongly considers a buyout.

It's not that bad, actually...$2.1 mil cap hit for the first two years, and $1.1 the 3rd & 4th year.  It's just the issue of Tucker's buyout already being there too that really makes it difficult, because then you have $3 mil in dead cap space. :S